Helix JCM800 2203 Request Thread (FW 3.70 new Brit 2203)!

[ispunk]

But that was a case of something incorrectly modeled. The JCM800 appears not to be given the source material.

I seem to remember there was something wrong with their Rat pedal. I'll have to go back and look it up. Either way the end result was unsatisfactory to Helix users and it was fixed.

 

[mikah912]

I seem to remember there was something wrong with their Rat pedal. I'll have to go back and look it up. Either way the end result was unsatisfactory to Helix users and it was fixed.

If "unsatisfactory to Helix users" was the key criterion, I think the Rectifier and Mark IV models would jump "Bright cap Marshall"s place in line.

 

[JiveTurkey]

I've never been one to care about accuracy with HX stuff. No matter what random YT'r using tone matching and the most idiotic IRL amp settings that would in no way work on the amp if you had it in front of you. I also like the HX Recto probably the best despite it sounding really nothing like the ones I've owned

 

[SwirlyMaple]

I seem to remember there was something wrong with their Rat pedal. I'll have to go back and look it up. Either way the end result was unsatisfactory to Helix users and it was fixed.

Correct. It had a failed component inside it. That’s why they remodeled it.

 

[James Freeman]

I seem to remember there was something wrong with their Rat pedal. I'll have to go back and look it up. Either way the end result was unsatisfactory to Helix users and it was fixed.

It was I who made a lot of the noise, but not only.

Line6 Helix

Question - does anyone know how to find the name of an IR that is associated with a preset? I accidentally overwrote several IR slots with newer IRs to try out and didn't realize that many of my older presets referenced the originals. Now when I load up one of these presets I get a dialog...

www.thegearpage.net

Just read 3 pages after that.


Also this.
Look at the date, it was a few months after I bought my Helix Floor, I already knew.

Line6 Helix

Ewww REM. Also; Ewwww ****ty RAT emulation.

www.thegearpage.net

And this.

All the above.... HISTORY.
We are going to get great Marshalls just like we did get a great Rat, this too will be history.

 

[JiveTurkey]

GREATEST HITS!

 

[SwirlyMaple]

It was I who made a lot of the noise, but not only.

Line6 Helix

Question - does anyone know how to find the name of an IR that is associated with a preset? I accidentally overwrote several IR slots with newer IRs to try out and didn't realize that many of my older presets referenced the originals. Now when I load up one of these presets I get a dialog...

www.thegearpage.net

Just read 3 pages after that.


Also this.
Look at the date, it was a few months after I bought my Helix Floor, I already knew.

Line6 Helix

Ewww REM. Also; Ewwww ****ty RAT emulation.

www.thegearpage.net

And this.

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All the above.... HISTORY.
We are going to get great Marshalls just like we did get a great Rat, this too will be history.

 

[dk_ace]

But that was a case of something incorrectly modeled. The JCM800 appears not to be given the source material.

When Tito, I and others made a fuss about the behavior of auto impedance and the way it limited the usefulness of the feature and the helix itself, there were people saying it was ok as it was, had a lot of options already, and L6 was unlikely to listen and do anything about it.

Yet, L6 listened and eventually delivered exactly what we asked for. I don’t recall them ever really engaging us on the topic in the forums (I could be wrong here, but I don’t recall any promise that it was coming or discussion from those guys in the threads). As I remember, it just showed up in an update with a shout out to Tito in the release notes.

While I don’t have a lot of investment in an 800, I think there’s a decent chance L6 does something in the way of this model, and I’m supportive of those who are pushing for one. A lot of people beyond James have complained about the current one for years. Very few people seem to think it sounds and responds like a stock 800, which is a pretty iconic amp circuit.

D

 

[EOengineer]

Ok guys. Best of luck with all that. Gonna see myself out.

FWIW I don’t think you are wrong. I’m not realistically expecting L6 to revise all their Marshalls, or add additional models. I don’t particularly expect the Recto to get its bright cap or the Mark IV to get the important pulls or switches to get classic boogie tones.

Nonetheless, there’s a lot of info here in this thread. As a fan of the classic Marshall circuits, I’d like to hope in some small way this thread might help others get more out of their Marshalls. It’s good to know what those caps do, and when and why you may or may not want them there.

I've never been one to care about accuracy with HX stuff. No matter what random YT'r using tone matching and the most idiotic IRL amp settings that would in no way work on the amp if you had it in front of you. I also like the HX Recto probably the best despite it sounding really nothing like the ones I've owned

Despite picking on it, I don’t think the Helix Recto is terrible. It does the super high thing very well - also sounds great into a guitar cab.

My problem with the HX recto is that the real amp would brighten up and tighten a little if you kept the gain lower, opening up some cool brighter crunch tones that still have the Recto haze, but aren’t as blown out on the low end. The HX just can’t do it and it’s a bummer because it’s a great sound for certain things. Im pretty sure adding the bright cap back would get it there.

 

[JiveTurkey]

Imagine if you owned a Boss product

 

[Alex Kenivel]

THIS!!!!

I'm watching James' frustration and coming back to PTSD causing idiocy from more than twenty years ago for me, and I can finally barely talk about it without turning purple.

Before Sony bought Sonic Foundry, their Vegas project looked destined to seriously take over or at least grab a giant chunk of the DAW world (this was before it was focused and marketed towards video instead of audio...it was poised to do both), a few of us from different audio engineering backgrounds were in their beta forums. As I often did and still do, I would mock up marketing materials showcasing new features of a product and shared it with the forum and developers. Chief in the feature requests from me were the audio BASICS

One glaring basic that I felt should be there: A polarity switch on each channel

Yes the basic polarity switch was missing, a critical part of any mixing console. Yes it was also missing from most of the other DAWs at the time, but not our problem.

For some reason, there was a music writer/producer, NOT and engineer, who really held some serious sway over the forum and to some extent the admins for some reason, and he was 1000000000% against having polarity switches in the DAW. He pasted a picture of a polarity switching cable that we could use on the way in instead. Of course I said that there were many reasons AFTER the capture to need a polarity change, to which he had me banned for a week. It escalated from there, got pretty nasty, and you can imagine if something as BASIC as a polarity switch was worthy of banning, so many other features (sidechains for one) of course would get you banned

And now look, Vegas is owned by Magix. Nearly all of their audio users went on to REAPER

All these years later I get an email from one of the former insiders of the company once Sony bought it, linking to an article of the guy who tortured me getting called out for making a career of pretending to be a native american. I smiled, but I really felt in that moment, that the best revenge was a DAW well lived, and we have that now.

But all this babbling....look, some features are EXTREMELY important to some people and/or their workflows. If you don't need it, that's ok, nobody is holding a gun to your head. If something wants to go around calling itself a marshall 800, it should probably be one

Just because a Fauxcahontus doesn't need a polarity switch doesn't mean nobody should have one. I applaud James for how much work he has put into this

I really enjoyed using Vegas back in the day. Interesting story.

 

[Elric]

A couple of dudes b*tching on a forum == raising awareness.

 

[SwirlyMaple]

Yet, L6 listened and eventually delivered exactly what we asked for. I don’t recall them ever really engaging us on the topic in the forums (I could be wrong here, but I don’t recall any promise that it was coming or discussion from those guys in the threads). As I remember, it just showed up in an update with a shout out to Tito in the release notes.

I think it is their long-standing policy that they don’t publicly discuss upcoming features/models, for a variety of reasons. That’s likely the reason why people like DI are active in these forums but never appear in threads like this. However, past history does indeed show they’re listening, and probably trying to accommodate our wishes as much as they can within their higher-management roadmap.

 

[EOengineer]

A couple of dudes b*tching on a forum == raising awareness.

That’s the technical term, of course.

 

[the swede]

the reason why people like DI are active in these forums but never appear in threads like this.

the reason = the sign, that its going to be alright!

 

[Mooselake]

For a time I'm staying in a rustic place in the Northern Great Lakes area with sketchy connectivity. My 'rig' for the next while is my trusty old THR10c, one guitar, a cord, and six picks. From the perspective of using a limited setup, the Helix is an embarassment of riches. I'm sure L6 will scratch the Marshall JCM itch of those afflicted by it, but in the interim it seems much easier to focus on what we have rather than what we lack. I'm doing the same until that day comes and and I'm reunited with my Helix and all my plugins, etc. I'm having a hoot with just the THR. But I'm expecting the whole world to stand on its end and change for the better when an approved Marshall appears in the Helix--like, choruses of angels strumming power chords through a heavenly wall of sound, restart the calendar good. :)

 

[Hush]

When Tito, I and others made a fuss about the behavior of auto impedance and the way it limited the usefulness of the feature and the helix itself, there were people saying it was ok as it was, had a lot of options already, and L6 was unlikely to listen and do anything about it.

Yet, L6 listened and eventually delivered exactly what we asked for. I don’t recall them ever really engaging us on the topic in the forums (I could be wrong here, but I don’t recall any promise that it was coming or discussion from those guys in the threads). As I remember, it just showed up in an update with a shout out to Tito in the release notes.

While I don’t have a lot of investment in an 800, I think there’s a decent chance L6 does something in the way of this model, and I’m supportive of those who are pushing for one. A lot of people beyond James have complained about the current one for years. Very few people seem to think it sounds and responds like a stock 800, which is a pretty iconic amp circuit.

D

I contributed to that cause. @Tito83 got his fix and then abandoned us Helixers.
Line 6 Helix

 

[EOengineer]

I’m gonna laugh when one of us finally checks the Brit 2204 model and notices L6 added a bright cap parameter 2 updates ago.

 

[DieSchmalle]

I’m gonna laugh when one of us finally checks the Brit 2204 model and notices L6 added a bright cap parameter 2 updates ago.

Something like a rusty gain pot simulator?! If you wiggle and press it often then sometimes the bright cap activates.

 

[Tito83]

I contributed to that cause. @Tito83 got his fix and then abandoned us Helixers.
Line 6 Helix

The tone was always a struggle for me, but it was awesome for gigging. I'm actually considering an HX Stomp (just for effects) + ES5 at this very moment to replace my M9 and add presets to the rig.

@dk_ace actually there was quite a bit of back and forth way back on TGP.