Fractal Talk

[SeeD]

Not sure what this statement is supposed to mean (I’m not from EU/US), but almost everywhere in the world the phrase “camp survivor” usually refers to someone who survived the Holocaust. That was the source of @State of Epicicity ’s question, I think. And frankly, using a term like that to refer to trolls is a tad disingenuous, regardless of how tacky said trolls might be.

That’s the end of what I have to say about this.

This means that he thinks I am stupid and this is the 7-10 time he masks it in a post through the years, it`s just wierd.. It does not phase me one bit.



And this is also what google told me a Camp survivor was. So maybe stop using that... But ok, one time at a camp, it is. Or just use One time at a camp...

 

[JiveTurkey]

Some of y'all need to watch "American Pie" and it shows.

 

[yek]

So this is a WW II movie?

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[DrewJD82]

Not sure what this statement is supposed to mean (I’m not from EU/US), but almost everywhere in the world the phrase “camp survivor” usually refers to someone who survived the Holocaust. That was the source of @State of Epicicity ’s question, I think. And frankly, using a term like that to refer to trolls is a tad disingenuous, regardless of how tacky said trolls might be.

That’s the end of what I have to say about this.

Interesting, as much as I’m a history fanatic and was fascinated with how WWII went down for many years, I’ve never heard Holocaust Survivors referred to as ‘camp survivors’ without a specific title of ‘concentration camp survivor’ or ‘death camp survivor’ as there are multiple ‘camps’ in relation to the military that would leave ‘camp survivor’ completely ambiguous.

If you’ve got any evidence of the contrary that doesn’t come from a Reddit quote, I’m all eyes and ears.

 

[DrewJD82]

This means that he thinks I am stupid and this is the 7-10 time he masks it in a post through the years, it`s just wierd.. It does not phase me one bit.



And this is also what google told me a Camp survivor was. So maybe stop using that... But ok, one time at a camp, it is. Or just use One time at a camp...

If you believe I’ve masked it, you’re only proving it’s true.

IDGAF about your camp bullshit or however you’re trying to frame it. Just sign the waiver that says you won’t sue us for hurting yourself while attempting mental gymnastics on our forum and fuck off.

 

[State of Epicicity]

I don't see use of the term camp survivor anywhere on gear forums, and trying to relate it to American Pie doesn't make sense. Using camp survivor as a derogative?

@FractalAudio There are very real reasons in today's world to be thoughtful with your language with anything that might imply the most heinous fucking shit mankind has ever done. Think for a second. You really wanna be dismissive? You can earn more respect by not doubling down and lashing out.

@DrewJD82 Do you know what a dog whistle is? You don't come out and say death camp survivor, you joke about eugenics first then you don't have to include death or concentration in the term. I'd love for this not to be the intent, but refusing to explain then dismissing very real concerns only makes it more concerning. I love Fractal products, so I don't want to read shit like this.

 

[DrewJD82]

I don't see use of the term camp survivor anywhere on gear forums, and trying to relate it to American Pie doesn't make sense. Using camp survivor as a derogative?

@FractalAudio There are very real reasons in today's world to be thoughtful with your language with anything that might imply the most heinous fucking shit mankind has ever done. Think for a second. You really wanna be dismissive? You can earn more respect by not doubling down and lashing out.

@DrewJD82 Do you know what a dog whistle is? You don't come out and say death camp survivor, you joke about eugenics first then you don't have to include death or concentration in the term. I'd love for this not to be the intent, but refusing to explain then dismissing very real concerns only makes it more concerning. I love Fractal products, so I don't want to read shit like this.

Dude, I do not give a fuuuuuuuck about dog whistles or “OMG RACISTS!!!!” because 99.9% is BULLSHIT.

Go to TGP and type “Camp Survivor” in the search bar. It’s been in use for years.

Put legitimate PROOF in front of my eyes that there is racist discussion being had and I’ll consider it, but taking a phrase that’s been in use for YEARS and just because YOU haven’t seen it, now it’s racist? GTFO.

 

[SeeD]

If you believe I’ve masked it, you’re only proving it’s true.

IDGAF about your camp bullshit or however you’re trying to frame it. Just sign the waiver that says you won’t sue us for hurting yourself while attempting mental gymnastics on our forum and fuck off.

It was me saying it nicely, you should try it

 

[DrewJD82]

It was me saying it nicely, you should try it

I’m not obligated to be nice to anyone attempting to stir up bullshit on a forum I invest time and money into. And don’t act like that’s not what you’re attempting to do, again, like the “Derp derp I don’t like to tweak my presets” 15x in a row when no one would take the bait.

If you need help fucking off, I can assist.

 

[yek]

@DrewJD82 Do you know what a dog whistle is? You don't come out and say death camp survivor, you joke about eugenics first then you don't have to include death or concentration in the term. I'd love for this not to be the intent, but refusing to explain then dismissing very real concerns only makes it more concerning. I love Fractal products, so I don't want to read shit like this.

Seriously? Wow.

 

[SeeD]

I’m not obligated to be nice to anyone attempting to stir up bullshit on a forum I invest time and money into. And don’t act like that’s not what you’re attempting to do, again, like the “Derp derp I don’t like to tweak my presets” 15x in a row when no one would take the bait.

If you need help fucking off, I can assist.

What is the bullshit Ive said that is not true?
With my years with my unit??

This makes no sense..
I tried to engade you in a PM, but you told me to fuck off there as well.

 

[saarangnarayan]

Go to TGP and type “Camp Survivor” in the search bar.

I thought that this was all the context I needed to put this to rest. (EDIT: because I thought okay, maybe I’m wrong here and this is really some slang on the internet that I am unaware of) But then I actually did this and lo and behold the top results:

And if you keep scrolling, the only result for “Fractal camp survivor” is by you:

Almost every single result is a reference to the Holocaust.

And just to clarify, I’m not calling anybody anything. I was just pointing out how the term is not in good taste.

 

[Orvillain]

I don't see use of the term camp survivor anywhere on gear forums, and trying to relate it to American Pie doesn't make sense. Using camp survivor as a derogative?

@FractalAudio There are very real reasons in today's world to be thoughtful with your language with anything that might imply the most heinous fucking shit mankind has ever done. Think for a second. You really wanna be dismissive? You can earn more respect by not doubling down and lashing out.

@DrewJD82 Do you know what a dog whistle is? You don't come out and say death camp survivor, you joke about eugenics first then you don't have to include death or concentration in the term. I'd love for this not to be the intent, but refusing to explain then dismissing very real concerns only makes it more concerning. I love Fractal products, so I don't want to read shit like this.

State of Redditicity.

 

[FractalAudio]

Wow, some of you need to take a break from the internet.

It's a WELL ESTABLISHED inside joke here about "Fractal Camp Survivors" which originated with "That one time, at Fractal camp" which is paraphrased from the movie American Pie. It's literally been a meme here for years. I didn't make it up. I don't know who did. It doesn't matter. It's a FUCKING JOKE. WTF is wrong with you people?

 

[jellodog]

I thought that this was all the context I needed to put this to rest. (EDIT: because I thought okay, maybe I’m wrong here and this is really some slang on the internet that I am unaware of) But then I actually did this and lo and behold the top results:

And if you keep scrolling, the only result for “Fractal camp survivor” is by you:

Almost every single result is a reference to the Holocaust.

And just to clarify, I’m not calling anybody anything. I was just pointing out how the term is not in good taste.

This is confirmation bias. You went looking for a pattern and you found it.

The kind of "camp" in our long running joke / observation here is like the USA-style Summer Camp. Which is nothing to do with a concentration camp. Jeez.

 

[JiveTurkey]

The kind of "camp" in our long running joke / observation here is like the USA-style Summer Camp. Which is nothing to do with a concentration camp. Jeez.

Yep. Nothing to do with the other thing.

 

[DrewJD82]

“What a wondrous life it would have been, but I’m outnumbered….”

 

[saarangnarayan]

It's a WELL ESTABLISHED inside joke here about "Fractal Camp Survivors" which originated with "That one time, at Fractal camp" which is paraphrased from the movie American Pie. It's literally been a meme here for years. I didn't make it up. I don't know who did. It doesn't matter. It's a FUCKING JOKE. WTF is wrong with you people?

Yeah that’s what I was thinking that I may have missed the reference to all of this, until the post about it originating in TGP, where the search bar offered only a single result about this. I still think it’s in bad taste, but what do I know! Jokes have their own politics, too, but I don’t want to discuss politics anymore here.

This is confirmation bias. You went looking for a pattern and you found it.

Umm… dude, these results came up on their own. I presented them as is. You are free to do the search and show me if the results are any different. I was seeking no patterns. In fact, as I mentioned above, I was going there to look for the context that Cliff and others have mentioned here.

 

[Mongillo19]

“What a wondrous life it would have been, but I’m outnumbered….”

I don't remember this quote in American Pie

 

[JiveTurkey]

I don't remember this quote in American Pie