Fractal Talk

[metropolis_4]

This kind of panning has never worked on the FM3 for me. I am sure it was some deep setting I missed/got wrong but I gave up this type of activity on the FAS stuff a long time ago.

Bummer… something definitely seems broken here. But I dug through every deep menu I know of and I can’t find anything obvious.

The meters show it receiving stereo in and going stereo out, but when I’ve got two inputs going to the block both only hit Cab 1 and both go to both outputs

I guess like you said it might be some deep parameter or trick where something else has to be set a certain way for it to work

 

[aflynt]

Hmm, that still didn’t do it.

I’ve got the Cab block set to Stereo, one cab panned hard left, the other hard right, but I’m still getting the output going to both. Is there something else I’m missing?

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Try adding mixer blocks between amp and cab and cmp and cab and pan each one appropriately.

-Aaron

EDIT: And make sure that your inputs and output modes are stereo in the settings for in/out 1/2.
EDIT2: And make sure your out 1 and out 2 blocks have the appropriate pannings for the respective rows as well.

 

[AlbertA]

I also noticed that only Cab 1L is getting signal running through it. Cab 2R doesn’t seem to be in the signal chain at all

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Go to each output block and also pan each row so that output 1 only gets left channel and output 2 the right channel of that row

 

[metropolis_4]

Try adding mixer blocks between amp and cab and cmp and cab and pan each one appropriately.

-Aaron

EDIT: And make sure that your inputs and output modes are stereo in the settings for in/out 1/2.
EDIT2: And make sure your out 1 and out 2 blocks have the appropriate pannings for the respective rows as well.

Go to each output block and also pan each row so that output 1 only gets left channel and output 2 the right channel of that row

No luck

Doing all the panning and setting levels in the output blocks to only that line I still get the output of the cab block going stereo to both outputs.

Mixer blocks before cab block makes it receive only R/L, but the cab block still outputs both inputs to both outputs. So if I only send R to the k put of the Cab block that signal comes out both L/R outputs.

There doesn’t seem to be any way to maintain stereo paths through the Cab block. I discovered the Drive block seems to be the same way. When you feed it a mono input it outputs stereo

 

[aflynt]

No luck

Doing all the panning and setting levels in the output blocks to only that line I still get the output of the cab block going stereo to both outputs.

Mixer blocks before cab block makes it receive only R/L, but the cab block still outputs both inputs to both outputs. So if I only send R to the k put of the Cab block that signal comes out both L/R outputs.

There doesn’t seem to be any way to maintain stereo paths through the Cab block. I discovered the Drive block seems to be the same way. When you feed it a mono input it outputs stereo

Input mode is stereo on the cab block?

 

[metropolis_4]

Input mode is stereo on the cab block?

Yep

 

[Tenebris]

You've clearly never owned a Duncan PS. Those are turd buckets. But yeah, while I've not tried the Amp1 with a modeler, it was absolutely fantastic as a regular amp.

Come on, turd bucket is a little much. It's a set of engineering compromises where they leaned hard on the portability and power angle because "show up for the gig with axe and a backpack" is its best use case. It's the exact opposite of me using an old PA amp.

 

[iaresee]

@metropolis_4 after I get off work I'll put a sample preset together for you.

 

[DrewJD82]

Vai has a signature Synergy module. There's endorsement money to consider.

Those things are like $400 and probably sell what, 20 units a year? I can’t imagine his cut of that $400 is anywhere near enough to move the needle for him. Especially when that dude can have an sig amp with any amp company on the planet that’s selling amps for $3500+

And he actually DOES talk about other gear being just as good, he’s quite transparent about what he uses in the studio and uses a bunch of different amps, in addition to the Synergy stuff.

 

[Whizzinby]

I have the Synergy itch but I'm wondering how much of a difference I would see between an FM3 amp (power amp modeling off) into a tube power amp vs a synergy module into the same tube power amp. For those who have experience comparing the Fractal models to a tube pre-amp on a scale of 1 - Boonta, how much difference could I expect?

What’s going to be your playback method with this setup? (Cabs or monitors)

 

[metropolis_4]

@metropolis_4 after I get off work I'll put a sample preset together for you.

I appreciate it, but I’m out of time. It’s gonna have to be good enough how I’ve got it

 

[paisleywookiee]

Come on, turd bucket is a little much. It's a set of engineering compromises where they leaned hard on the portability and power angle because "show up for the gig with axe and a backpack" is its best use case. It's the exact opposite of me using an old PA amp.

Nah, it’s a turd bucket.

 

[mbugbee]

What’s going to be your playback method with this setup? (Cabs or monitors)

Cab

 

[saarangnarayan]

And he actually DOES talk about other gear being just as good, he’s quite transparent about what he uses in the studio and uses a bunch of different amps, in addition to the Synergy stuff.

He’s also stated in interviews that he used the Axe Fx for recording tracks, too. Perhaps not the lead tones but overdubs and layers for sure.

 

[Tenebris]

Nah, it’s a turd bucket.

Okay, seriously, I'll bite - I want to take the train/bus/plane to the thing/can't park close to the thing/the thing is up three flights, and there's a cab at the thing. I have a guitar and an FM-3. I need to hang with a rock drummer. What can I put in a backpack with the FM3 to drive that cab that will do the job better than a powerstage? Because I'd buy it.

 

[aflynt]

Okay, seriously, I'll bite - I want to take the train/bus/plane to the thing/can't park close to the thing/the thing is up three flights, and there's a cab at the thing. I have a guitar and an FM-3. I need to hang with a rock drummer. What can I put in a backpack with the FM3 to drive that cab that will do the job better than a powerstage? Because I'd buy it.

TC BAM 200. Not because it's better... Because it's smaller, lighter, way cheaper, just as good, and just as loud. I've had both.

-Aaron

 

[paisleywookiee]

Okay, seriously, I'll bite - I want to take the train/bus/plane to the thing/can't park close to the thing/the thing is up three flights, and there's a cab at the thing. I have a guitar and an FM-3. I need to hang with a rock drummer. What can I put in a backpack with the FM3 to drive that cab that will do the job better than a powerstage? Because I'd buy it.

Quilter Toneblock 202.

 

[Frodebro]

Quilter Toneblock 202.

I have a 201, and they can definitely hang with a drummer.

 

[paisleywookiee]

I have a 201, and they can definitely hang with a drummer.

And whatever secret sauce they do in their amps sounds infinitely better than the Duncan crap. I’ve had two Duncan’s, the 201, 202, and an Orange Baby. The Quilters were the best, no contest.

 

[yek]

No luck

Doing all the panning and setting levels in the output blocks to only that line I still get the output of the cab block going stereo to both outputs.

Mixer blocks before cab block makes it receive only R/L, but the cab block still outputs both inputs to both outputs. So if I only send R to the k put of the Cab block that signal comes out both L/R outputs.

There doesn’t seem to be any way to maintain stereo paths through the Cab block. I discovered the Drive block seems to be the same way. When you feed it a mono input it outputs stereo

I'm not near my Fractal gear. So, from memory:

The OUT blocks do not have an Input Select parameter. So, they receive both channels of incoming signal, regardless whether left and right are fully panned in the Cab block.

To keep left and right coming from the Cab block separated, split the signal from the Cab block, insert two parallel VOL blocks, use their Input Select parameters, and then route those to OUT1 and OUT2.

I think.