Fractal Talk

NAM will add more than just amp captures, and keep in mind that it is still rapidly developing. What NAM will be able to do for the Axe4 when it comes out is more than what it can do today, and NAM is very likely to keep growing in capability over the life of the hardware.
 
kvik said:
It escapes me why anyone would want NAM inside a Fractal product that's prized specifically for its not-NAM modelling, also when they can get a NAM thing each and every way they look.
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I prefer the dynamics of capturing over modeling, but still like Fractal effects and signal routing. :idea
 
PorcinePicker said:
It just occurred to me.... @SeeD keeps mentioning the AxeFX II. That was a long time ago. As the modeling became "moar realler" ;), fewer preset changes have been needed. The last time I remember having to tweak a preset because of a firmware update was when the JP IIC+ Green presets became ridiculously loud after a fix to the model. That was back in December....

....of 2023.
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Sure, I had a Axe Fx II and it happend a lot of times, as other have said as well.

And I have a guitar friend that I helped a lot back in the days (and still do) with changes do to FW updates. He got a Axe Fx III and a FM3 when that came out... I wanted someting `new` I then got a Quad Cortex...so I know what he needs to do with him presets on his III.

And I do read what changes have been done with FW on the Axe Fx III as well, so I know.

This is what I read all the time.. Re-Master, Changed, added, removed, you know that there is a lot that changes, and I know ( tru my friend ) He got a FM3 and a Axe Fx III (y)

Sure bug needs to be fixed, I know...
And with small changes to FW, this means that the user must ( or should) check user presets. I call it brake a preset, but it`s not `broken` but need some checking and tweaking, and I have not needed to do this ONE time with my QC my presets still after 5 years sound the same, every block..and it feels like a nice thing. So for me to go with a Fractal unit again, this endless changing all the time, needs to get more easy for me as a user. I play music, and record.. I can not have something change all the time if I whant also New Stuff when updateing FW

With 300 amp models, and a lot of Efx`s, changing stuff

There are a lot of good things that is added to the Frcatal units, dont get me wrong, I love to see this :D

This is the latest fw news
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Improved power tube grid modeling in Amp block.

Improved frequency response accuracy for amp models.

Improved diffusion in Delay block. The dry signal is now diffused along with the delayed signal. This makes the effect more musical.

Increased pitch tracking range in Pitch block to ~2500 Hz. This allows tracking pinch harmonics better.

Improved pitch shifting for low frequencies, e.g. bass guitars.

Grouped types in Reverb block to aid in selection.

Increased range of Attack Time in Input block. Attack Time can now be set to a minimum of 0.1 ms. Existing presets are automatically updated.

Increased range of Attack Time in Gate block. Attack Time can now be set to a minimum of 0.1 ms. Existing presets are automatically updated.

Added Swedish Metal model to Drive block based on a Boss HM-2.

Added 1S2473 diode type to Drive block (to support Swedish Metal model).

Added “Transistor” Power Tube Type. This is now the default type for the Jazz 120 amp model and models a transistor output stage. Existing presets using this model are automatically updated.

Fixed wrong gain pot taper on all Double Verb, Vibrato Verb and Super Verb models. Taper was previously 20A, now “2-35”. Remastered models. Audition presets and adjust as necessary.

Fixed an issue with PVH 6160, PVH 6160+ Lead and 5153 Red amp models. These models have been remastered accordingly. It is recommended to do a soft reset to load the new default values.

Fixed wrong resistor value in 5153 100W Green amp model. Audition presets and adjust as necessary.

Fixed wrong resistor value in 5153 100W Stealth Blue model. Audition presets and adjust as necessary.

Fixed wrong B+ voltage in Friedman BE/HBE models (due to wrong dropping resistor value). These models have been remastered accordingly. The default Negative Feedback has been changed to being commensurate with being taken from the 4-ohm tap. Note that the first-generation BE-100 had the feedback off the speaker jack. This was then changed to the 4-ohm tap. The latest version has a three-way switch to select between 4/8/16-ohm taps. Audition presets and adjust as necessary.

Fixed wrong Master Volume taper in Solo 100 amp models. Remastered the models. Audition presets and adjust as necessary.

Fixed wrong bass taper in Band-Commander amp model. Audition presets and adjust as necessary.

Fixed wrong master volume taper in Mr Z MZ-38 amp model. Audition presets and adjust as necessary.

Changed default values of Dual Tape type in Delay block to be a bit more musical.

Fixed preset updater not correctly setting Preamp Hardness if Amp block using EF86 tube type.

Various other fixes and improvements.
 
Fractal could just lie and say they've improved something and people would believe it sounds different.
Or they could be silent about their updates and people would most likely not notice. I think there was once the wrong tone stack on some model and it took months before anyone noticed.

Line6 has said they've improved their modeling over the years, yet most people don't seem to raise much of a hoopla about it. With Fractal being candid about the things they adjust, people then go looking for those differences. I think there's even been one case where someone claimed to hear a difference only for Fractal to say that nothing changed in the model between firmwares.
 
Mongillo19 said:
I feel like some users think if FAS gets easier to use, it makes it less cool that they own one 😂
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I’m just gonna say this; while I don’t feel my ability to dial in presets without finding it challenging puts me anywhere ‘above’ anyone else, I do believe there is a direct correlation between Camp Survivor Status and IQ ranges and the higher the Survivor Status is, the lower the IQ range they’re in and I fear that simplifying Fractal products will open the doors for more of these types to come in, because simplER is never simple enough for these types and when a damn knob doesn’t turn the way they want it to, a Camp Survivor is born and gigabytes of forum space will be wasted on victim mentality BS.
 
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I think the ability to have onboard NAM captures in the FAS ecosystem of effects, routing, modifiers, and controls will be a cool thing. More is more after all. I don't anticipate that I'll use it much personally, but it should help somewhat to quell the incessant demand to model the flavor of the week new Death Monger Seal Clubber amp that is basically a variant of a model that has been in the box for years.
 
SeeD said:
And with small changes to FW, this means that the user must ( or should) check user presets. I call it brake a preset, but it`s not `broken` but need some checking and tweaking, and I have not needed to do this ONE time with my QC my presets still after 5 years sound the same, every block..and it feels like a nice thing.
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Sounds like you found your happy place. That's great!

I'm telling ya that my experience with my Fractal gear just ain't what you're living in fear of. The impact of the firmware changes nowadays is the same as moving the knobs on the front of your amp....you don't glue those in place either, right? It's not a complete overhaul. (The newest Friedman changes might be a rare exception. I haven't played with those post update yet. I moved on from the Friedmans a while back, but maybe I should give 'em another shot.)
 
I’ve got no gripes with NAM being in there, I’ve changed my tune on captures considerably after finding some good ones. They’l never be my go-to for tones, but they can certainly be fun to check out and I see nothing wrong with making a Fractal unit a box of never ending tones.
 
holoholo said:
I want NAM to come to everything so I can stop hearing about it
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Preach John Stamos GIF by Fuller House
 
DrewJD82 said:
because simplER is never simple enough for these types and when a damn knob doesn’t turn the way they want it to, a Camp Survivor is born and gigabytes of forum space will be wasted on victim mentality BS.
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I think FAS will always have the stigma of "ITS TOO HARD" even if/when they do implement better UI. Just like L6 always seems to be known as the lesser of the modelers.

Not that you are saying this but I don't think fractal should be difficult for the sake of having a group that is "smart enough" to work with it. That would be like me going to the PGA Superstore and I can only buy Walmart Brand clubs because I have a 18 handicap 😂

There are always going to be complainers as you mentioned. However, there will also be plenty of non complainers who will finally try FAS out due to the improved UI and hopefully fall in love with some new gear.
 
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