Fractal ICONS Plugin

There's always latency. But it seems pretty darn good. I'm just having issues with adding a new instance of ICONS to another track making the overall latency jump up significantly. The buffer size in my DAW doesn't change though. But when I do change the buffer up or down it returns to normal again. Frustrating and not sure if it's my Motu M4 when working with the plugin or something else. I'm using Studio Pro 8 too. Think when I'm able to later today I'll try it with another interface to see what happens.

Do you use the same interface for input and output?
 
The VST crashes Reaper on my system. It's the only plugin that does that. Any advice? Not sure where to post the issue on the Fractal site.
 
I see you're heralding the fact over on the Fractal forum too... What's your motivation for that?

Motivation? Was just a fact that I learned about. Was bummed to hear. I would hazard a guess that if it weren't me, it would have been someone else soon after... if someone hadn't already said it before me? Matt and Cliff were online at the time. They could've deleted the post, but...

Its the internet. The genie doesn't go back in the bottle. But what... does burying your head in the sand make it go away? I'd rather talk about it, myself. There have been some interesting convos since. I don't X, FB, gram etc, but if I did... I'd be blasting Cliff's reply out that he made here. Scumbags that are just going to steal it are going to steal it... and they probably have it within hours of its "release." But if people with a conscience can read Cliff's post and still go looking for it... well... I would check for a pulse.

(and I seriously doubt people are on the Fractal forum... or here... looking for a crack)

It sucks... just seems an unfortunate inevitability these days. Tying to hardware a la UAD-2/Apollos seems an exception. People have mentioned their native (UADx) format not being cracked either. Only reason I can think of is that its iLok'ed, yes, but is also tied to their UA Connect software as well. I don't know... I just buy it (ALL) and use it to earn a living.

Yeah, especially with ol trumpet mouth here.

Yeah... you should see (hear) me trumpeting my LOVE for Fractal Audio. I constantly declare them my favourite company ever... even in oft shark infested waters. They are like part of my family.

I should keep a running total of how many customers I've sent to Fractal over the years... without the possibility of recommending them any higher.

This trumpet plays a sweet song.

What a fucking wanker you are!

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I think you missed the point of why I quoted two of his posts.
On the one hand he's trumpeting the fact (on two forums) and on the other stating "not sure how widespread it is...but won't be long, I'd assume".

Hey there's a bunch of coke with $100 bills being handed out down on tenth st, but don't tell anybody else. :stirthepot

Get a grip, mate.

There is cracked software everywhere (not just 10th St). Only one's moral compass will decide if they cross paths with it.

Or to follow your analogy... only one person can put that shit up your nose...

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You sure it wasn't your dealer?
Cliff is my dealer, yek.

A very darling implication, though.

FM3, FM9, AM4 and 3 EV-1's bought direct. You're an "inside" man. Cliff or Matt (anyone at Fractal) have my permission to furnish my invoices for your pursual. Their drug is gooooood... long may they be my dealers.

I also own an Axe-Fx III Mk II Turbo and FC-12 Mk II that I felt a little bad buying secondhand...

1- No profit for Fractal. Had I not spotted the deal I got, I would have ordered direct within a week.

2- I saw the combo on a Saturday night on craigslist for $1000 CAD. "Quick sale needed."

Reluctantly contacted the person... expecting crazy-town. The guy couldn't have been nicer (to me). Problem was... he had to report to jail the following Monday morning... "for a good stretch." He just needed everything gone and wanted money for his lady. Rough stuff.

Mint units. Original packaging, receipt and shipping documentation. I gave him well above the $1000. Have you ever seen a big, hairy, tattooed man cry? I have! :D

Didn't ask what he did, but I am certain... it was NOT a white collar crime.
 
This is exactly it. And music software is no exception.

Hell... my bloody London Underground daily travelcard is over £16 now to offset the fucking thieves who just barge through the barriers. Think about that... £16 a day to pay for thieving cunts to steal services.
16 quid?!? fak off, grandad! :rofl

Good Lord... what's happened to the world? Been years since I've been on the tube. Can't even remember the price of a daily then, but thanks for the heads up. I would think they were taking the piss.
 
Wouldn't that be the DAW's fault?
Just confirmed it's not. It's the recording input of the Motu M4.

Here's what I tried, starting with buffer at 64:

Scenario 1) Motu M4 input and output / Studio Pro 8 / when ICONS is inserted on a channel the latency audibly glitches and jumps up.
Scenario 2) Motu M4 input and output / Studio One 7 / same glitch in different DAW
Scenario 3) Presonus Studio 192 input and output / Studio Pro 8 or Studio One 7 / ICONS inserted and working fine
Scenario 4) Presonus Studio 192 input with Motu M4 output / Studio Pro 8 or Studio One 7 / ICONS inserted and working fine
Scenario 5) Motu M4 input with Studio 192's output / ICONS glitch occurs

Note: this glitch has never happened before with any other plugin including HX native.

@yek
 
Not to disagree at all here, but does anything get better if you try a bigger buffer? eg. 128 instead of 64?
Doesn't matter if I start at 32, 64, 256 or higher. As soon as I load the plugin on a channel the latency jumps up and sounds like 4096 samples. But when I go into preferences, the samples are at my original setting. If I change it up or down it works normally again. Just an annoying and strange glitch.
 
I understand the frustration, but I'm sure the plugins will still be a success nevertheless. Don't give up! :hugitout

I think in modern world everything gets cracked (NDSP and Line6 got their stuff cracked as well). It was bound to happen. You just can't venture into the software world assuming it won't. Your business strategy has to be completely sustainable accounting those sales lost to piracy. It's just the nature of the beast.

Either way, a huge chunk of people doesn't want to get anywhere close to pirated software (malware issues, lack of updates, sketchy software that was tampered with and you don't know by whom...). Of course, plenty of people that download cracked software were never going to buy it in the first place (some people even crack WinRAR or Reaper!).

So I remain positive. Legit sales will offset the losses for sure. Someone mentioned increased support costs, but you guys could probably request some sort of serial number in the contact form to filter that.
 
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Just confirmed it's not. It's the recording input of the Motu M4.

Here's what I tried, starting with buffer at 64:

Scenario 1) Motu M4 input and output / Studio Pro 8 / when ICONS is inserted on a channel the latency audibly glitches and jumps up.
Scenario 2) Motu M4 input and output / Studio One 7 / same glitch in different DAW
Scenario 3) Presonus Studio 192 input and output / Studio Pro 8 or Studio One 7 / ICONS inserted and working fine
Scenario 4) Presonus Studio 192 input with Motu M4 output / Studio Pro 8 or Studio One 7 / ICONS inserted and working fine
Scenario 5) Motu M4 input with Studio 192's output / ICONS glitch occurs

Note: this glitch has never happened before with any other plugin including HX native.

@yek

Report it on the Fractal forum?
 
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