Fender FR-10/FR-12 noise reduction mod

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How do you assess his test as invalid?
Specifically, his choice of mic position is guaranteed to produce data that is at best only vaguely related to what the speaker does at normal playing/listening distances. His lack of understanding of relative arrival times of the sound from LF and HF sections - and the effect of those times on response around crossover - is evident in his description of the decision-making process he used to decide on the mic placement.
Cite actual evidence please Jay so that we may ascertain for ourselves.
You would have to have some basic acoustics knowledge in order to be able "ascertain for yourself." Were you in possession of that knowledge, you would have understood the above and "ascertained for yourself" that his data is not valid.
So far, his demonstrable electronics work has proven quite effective, defensible and transparent.
"Electronics work" is a completely different kettle of fish than loudspeaker testing and measurement, a fact that has bitten quite a few EE types on the ass.
 
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Specifically, his choice of mic position is guaranteed to produce data that is at best only vaguely related to what the speaker does at normal playing/listening distances. His lack of understanding of relative arrival times of the sound from LF and HF sections - and the effect of those times on response around crossover - is evident in his description of the decision-making process he used to decide on the mic placement.

You would have to have some basic acoustics knowledge in order to be able "ascertain for yourself." Were you in possession of that knowledge, you would have understood the above and "ascertained for yourself" that his data is not valid.

"Electronics work" is a completely different kettle of fish than loudspeaker testing and measurement, a fact that his bitten quite a few EE types on the ass.

As a retired professional services advice giver with extremely high stakes (in complex and technical environments (life-dependent)), … I always found that telling people that they didn’t understand was insufficient answer. Telling them they lack the knowledge was equally insufficient.

Being dismissive of everyone as lacking some critical bit of knowledge you have, seems like your self-preservation style or some weird affectation.

I’ve found that willing people are able to learn even some of the most fundamental principles if you take the time to break it down for them as the expert.

I found it useful to actually explain myself, even though they were terribly complex issues in simple, understandable, pragmatic, and executable terms.

Does that capability elude you somehow?
 
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I’ve found that willing people are able to learn even some of the most fundamental principles if you take the time to break it down for them
I've only been doing exactly that for the past ~17 years on various gear forums, including the original and current FAS forums and TGP. I shared the data I presented above more than once in the recent past, as well as comparative clips demonstrating the sonic differences, and I've explained near field/far field discrepancies many, many times. A little searching and/or asking around would have gone a long way towards finding some of that content.
I found it useful to actually explain myself, even though they were terribly complex issues in simple, understandable, pragmatic, and executable terms.
A number of the students at loudspeaker workshops at which I have taught remarked at my ability to explain complex concepts in ways that non-technical types could understand.
Does that capability elude you somehow?
Not at all. The friction I've encountered has mostly been from technical types who overestimate their understanding of acoustics.
 
To some people, "different" means "better," at least for a minute. My money says that, by this time next year, these same folks will have found yet another "new" monitoring solution.
There are folks that chase tone, I am not one. I like things that work well fitting my work flow, and sound good. The Fender FR-12 sounds amazing. I was using a Friedman ASC-12, which sounded good, but the FR-12 blows it away. And an extra bonus, the FR-12 is 1/3 the cost! So I sold my Friedman and bought two FR-12’a and now have stereo!

I have a rig that will most likely last the rest of my life (I am 63). The Fender Tone Master Pro and their "FRFR". Easy setup, light for the road, and sounds amazing. Much better than anything I have owned since 1971!
 
@CraigB1960 I feel pretty much the same. I appreciate that the FR-12 is far from perfect and acknowledge what Jay is saying in terms of its shortcomings and non-coaxial nature. However, it is still "flat enough" for me and sounds pleasing to my ears.

The FR-12 is slightly more enjoyable than my extremely flat and more expensive studio monitors.
 
@CraigB1960 I feel pretty much the same. I appreciate that the FR-12 is far from perfect and acknowledge what Jay is saying in terms of its shortcomings and non-coaxial nature. However, it is still "flat enough" for me and sounds pleasing to my ears.

The FR-12 is slightly more enjoyable than my extremely flat and more expensive studio monitors.
I am one of those EE’s I guess. Bottom line for me, I don’t care about graphs and response curves WHEN my ears say it is pleasing. I am the only one I have to please!
 
You would have to have some basic acoustics knowledge in order to be able "ascertain for yourself." Were you in possession of that knowledge, you would have understood the above and "ascertained for yourself" that his data is not valid.

The friction I've encountered has mostly been from technical types who overestimate their understanding of acoustics.
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