E-drums: could they be a common thing for small bands gigs?

No it wasn’t. I’ve been using e-kits since the early ‘90s and they weren’t even fairly new back then
They were definitely not new then. As I pointed out earlier in the thread, I mixed sound for band with a drummer who played a Simmons kit ca. 1983, and the ZZ Top "Afterburner" tour had a drum synth at the FOH mix riser that was triggered by piezo transducers on Frank Beard's drum heads. Edrums are their own thing, but they can't possibly displace acoustic drums in the majority of applications.
 
I’m just gonna say this…. Indoor Sports arenas just aren’t that great for a live sound mix in general and it’s not because of acoustic drums

I saw Billy Strings at the ball arena (aka the Pepsi center as it will always be in my mind lol) earlier this year (bluegrass no drums at all). Had a floor ticket and sound wise it had all the same shortcomings im typically used to in that environment

That said later in the night I got pretty much to the front of the stage and it sounded way better there than the rest of the floor
My company has a suite in the Little Caesar's Arena and the sound systems the big acts setup there usually sound surprisingly good. Note, they don't sound as good as a really good point source system in a medium size venue IMO, but as far as large events go, I have been pretty impressed with this one.

Twenty-one Pilots sounded amazing there as did Billie Eilish and John Mayer (who performed solo with an acoustic guitar and a piano and embarrassed me and my meager talents with how crazy talented the man is).

FYI, I don't particularly care for Metal (I play a small bit of it), but my daughter (20 yr old) is the last kid in the house and she loves it. Since I can get her into a suite to watch any act that comes to the arena for free, I get to spend a little more time with her before she runs off and leaves me and my wife like our older 2 boys :(. I'll listen to metal all night long for that. Shoot. I might even listen to Country for that :).

Ghost had that wall of sound and impact going pretty strong last night. My ears have finally stopped ringing. The things we do for our kids!
 
The 3 best shows I ever heard were at both- Journey, Pink Floyd and Muse at an indoor sports arena, and Pink Floyd at the old JFK stadium. Journey had THE best sound I ever heard (been to at least 30 concerts)..., crystal clear, and could hear everything perfectly in the mix. PF and Muse were a close 2nd/3rd.

Also saw VH twice at different indoor arenas and their sound was horrible both times. Drums & bass so overpowering I couldn't tell what the song was until the chorus.


In fairness, Colorado may have uniquely bad sounding indoor arenas :LOL:

First bank center in broomfield was probably the peak culprit… I knew as soon as Mission Ballroom opened their days were numbered….

No surprise it was demolished earlier this year
 
I will say, the absolute best live sound I’ve ever heard has fairly consistently been at red rocks. But quite literally “the way the wind blows” can have a dramatic effect on that, especially if you’re higher up in the stands

As far as indoor venues, the “relatively” new mission ballroom is far and above the best indoor venue around here, not just for sound but for view points, concessions, bathroom, etc. the stage can also move to expand and contract to make the capacity range from 2k to 5k. Really a well thought out and designed venue. They knocked it out of the park
 
It's still pretty good. The Blind Pig is still going strong after all these years (you still stick to the floor when you walk ;) ). It's not Austin or New Orleans for sure, but as far as cities with a good live music scene, its definitely in the top 25% in my experience (and I travel quite a bit).

I listen and perform pretty much all genre's and have for a good solid 3 decades and more.

Metal is WAY more about impact than vocals. It's silly to pretend otherwise IMO. In fact, Ghost is one of the more vocal metal bands in general. They got that haunting harmony thing going on in pretty much every vocal .... but it is still WAY back in the mix compared to something like Country Girl by Luke Brian, or All I wanna do by Sheryl Crow.

... and yes, I did listen to your video. I tend not to say anything at all if I can't say anything nice. But that being said, this is what I think of that mix:

The drums are horribly mixed. Lots of cymbals and a thin sounding snare, but little else. There is little or no punch to the mix. The vocalist is pretty darned good, but the mix is awful. The vocals disappear in the verse then pound out on the high notes (could have used a bit of compression to tame that a little). I can BARELY hear the guitar and bass. Now, of course, this was recorded likely on a phone and that alone is going to make pretty much any band sound bad. They do have great energy and stage presence.

I think they would have sounded 10 times better with eDrums.... at least 10 times better.

Metal is ESPECIALLY dependent on good impactful drums and punchy palm mutes on guitar. eDrums are great at getting impact. Not sure why the guitars were so absent. Perhaps they weren't in the mains at all? Could be that where the person was standing the cabs weren't pointed that way. Guitar cabs are extremely directional. Some other area in the bar could have heard nothing but guitar. (A very good case for using something like Kemper/Fractal/Helix direct into the mixer. You get good guitar tone all over the venue.

I am positive others feel that the recording sounded great, and the audience was obviously entertained. If my band did any metal (we don't. About the hardest song we do is "My Own Worst Enemy" which falls more in a modern rock catagory vs Metal. I used to do Enter Sandman at the end of the night. That sounds fantastic with eDrums and a Kemper.

You.....think I was asking for your opinion of the mix?

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Fun fact, in case it’s not clear: Ghost isn’t metal.
Not sure why you think such a thing. Ghost is clearly metal. Can you explain your opinion?
Hate to be that guy…

But….



Ghost is one of the only bands I actively hate :rofl
I used to do "Square Hammer" a few years back. It's a bit heavy for what my band, but then so is Enter Sandman. It's good stuff for the end of the night for us.

Why do you dislike them? They seem like a pretty standard sounding metal band to me..... I just don't care that much for metal in general so they aren't really my cup of tea.
 
Not sure why you think such a thing. Ghost is clearly metal. Can you explain your opinion?

That’s easy. They don’t play metal. It’s glam rock with spooky costumes and lyrics. Sounds like Blue Oyster Cult.

Ghost are not metal. They're 80's infused glam rock. They're awesome. But not metal.

Actually, they’re awful. 😂

I mean, kudos for getting the kids to see live music. Really.

But JFC I hate Ghost. Tobias Forge is a first rate douchebag too.
 
Ghost are not metal. They're 80's infused glam rock. They're awesome. But not metal.
I think they sounded clearly within the Metal genre ... at least what they played 2 days ago from their latest album (not that I would know what they played before this as I only knew ONE of their songs ever). It didn't seem much different than lots of Metalica songs to me.... but then again, I am definitely not an authority on metal genre classification.

Maybe their earlier stuff was more pop oriented.

I enjoyed the punch and impact, but an entire night of that was WAY beyond what I would want to listen to on my own accord ;).
 
BOC is badass
Don't Fear The Reaper was one of my earliest, "can't wait for it to come on the radio so I can record it on my little cassette tape recorder" FAVORITE songs as a kid (WILL YOU PLEASE STOP TALKING DURING THE INTRO, YOU FUCKING STUPID ASSHOLE DJ!!! :cuss)

So I really dug BOC, but when Burnin for You came out, I was like, WTF is this shit? It grew on me, but... :idk
 
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