Does an amp make sense for what I'm describing?

Sorry. I was off this weekend :rofl There are a dumptruck full of things that will do what you want but I think ultimately you will tire of whatever you settle on and go back to that gear churn. Low volume playing is just not much fun. A modeler for me is the best choice for that. Loaded down amp is great too but you still face the conundrum (on either of these options) of what am I going to monitor it through?
 
At the end of the day, most folks on this forum are, and have been, pretty darn happy with the SOUND they are getting out of gear they've been using. Folks may flip in and out of some stuff because if you're on a gear forum you're into gear, but aside from m
Metro, I'm hard pressed to think of anyone around here that's close to that GASP area of always thinking they are one rig-change away from finally having the tone and workflow that will make them happy.

I think if the OP had just been "hey, I'm looking for a 3 channel amp that does Fender clean, plexi crunch, and modern hi gain at conversational volume levels" the thread would be 100% positive and enthusiastic. It's more the "I've tried lots of stuff and still chasing my tail, will this finally be the jiujitsu move that I need to finally catch it?" idea that leads to the Debbie Downer posts.
 
At the end of the day, most folks on this forum are, and have been, pretty darn happy with the SOUND they are getting out of gear they've been using. Folks may flip in and out of some stuff because if you're on a gear forum you're into gear, but aside from m
Metro, I'm hard pressed to think of anyone around here that's close to that GASP area of always thinking they are one rig-change away from finally having the tone and workflow that will make them happy.

I think if the OP had just been "hey, I'm looking for a 3 channel amp that does Fender clean, plexi crunch, and modern hi gain at conversational volume levels" the thread would be 100% positive and enthusiastic. It's more the "I've tried lots of stuff and still chasing my tail, will this finally be the jiujitsu move that I need to finally catch it?" idea that leads to the Debbie Downer posts.
Give up and keep it all
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IME, a hybrid solution is what works for me. Lately, I'm running a Marshall Origin 50 with my Stomp XL in 4CM. I have the amp dialed into a Plexi like tone and have it in the loop of the stomp. I also have a preset with 2203 tone and a Dual Rec tone preset. Both with the amp in the loops of both presets. One FS press and everything is bypassed except what I want on, Boost, Eq, REverb, delay, etc. for the Marshall.

Between these 3 tones, I get 95% of what we do as a band and the amp attenuates down to 5w for house playing but has the balls to get loud if you need it at 50w with EL34's. Plus these amps are great pedal platforms and pretty cheap on the used market. If it doesnt work out, you will be able to get your money back out pretty easily.
 
At the end of the day, most folks on this forum are, and have been, pretty darn happy with the SOUND they are getting out of gear they've been using. Folks may flip in and out of some stuff because if you're on a gear forum you're into gear, but aside from m
Metro, I'm hard pressed to think of anyone around here that's close to that GASP area of always thinking they are one rig-change away from finally having the tone and workflow that will make them happy.

I think if the OP had just been "hey, I'm looking for a 3 channel amp that does Fender clean, plexi crunch, and modern hi gain at conversational volume levels" the thread would be 100% positive and enthusiastic. It's more the "I've tried lots of stuff and still chasing my tail, will this finally be the jiujitsu move that I need to finally catch it?" idea that leads to the Debbie Downer posts.
You do BJJ?
 
In all seriousness, if an Axe-Fx through some quality studio monitors doesn't do it for you at conversation levels, I'm not sure anything will.
THIS. I’ve been through everything and the only thing that has consistently worked at that sort of volume is Axe-Fx + Neumann monitors + some sweet pickups.

And it just keeps getting better.

In short, you’re still looking at a modeller.

Even when you play attenuated amps through real cabs at low volume, guitar speakers don’t quite have the same mojo when they aren’t moving much and being exercised “properly”.

So you remove the cab, send the signal through an IR, and at that point you’re essentially back to what sounds like one of the top tier modellers again.
 
The only GASP level of testing I haven't done is using an analog cab sim to see if that's "better" than an all digital back end. I don't think there is any juice to squeeze at these volume levels tbh.
 
There's still time ™
I tried with the Palmer thing but didn't realize I needed a mixer and at that point;
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Some extra thoughts:

I rolled through a few monitors to find some that I really like and settled on the IK Precision 5. They sound way bigger than the size indicates, enough that I sold my Yamaha HS8's after picking them up. I previously used (and have not yet sold) the Genelec 8020's so from a monitor standpoint I've taken that as far as it can go.

On my room, it could be treated better for sure but I built a bunch of acoustic panels, added a couch, and added a big rug. I played around extensively with monitor placement and they are in a pretty decent spot. I do have the ability to do DSP room equalization although that's been a pretty minor difference with the treatment and placement experimentation.

On the volume standpoint, that's mostly my preference. I run monitors or speakers a bit below where I'd run headphones which is conversation level, safe for long term hearing. That's what I'm happy with given my level of hearing damage and tinnitus. Headphones sound different but not better than monitors, so I think that's not an issue.

I think the Orange 1x12 cab is definitely a culprit. It is bright, beamy, and the low end takes a lot of space to bloom. If I'm facing the speaker (on or off axis) I hear the biting upper mids of the V30 pretty well, but don't hear much of the low end. If I go off to the side several feet then I hear all bass frequencies. It does emphasize the brightness/harshness of anything I play through it, although the lower midrange can be quite nice. I swapped the V30 for a V-Type but it sounds very similar, so to me it's mostly a cab sound.

The Fender FR-12 to me sounds better than the Orange, even though it's a different thing. The low end is a lot fuller and broader, so it sounds bigger in general, and I do have to cut the bass down so it's not as overwhelming. I do run the treble cut about halfway because I don't like all the high end. What I don't like about it is having both the impulse response and the cab shaping the sound, although I could probably find a happy medium with this one.

The Orange Rocker 15 through the 1x12 cab is very nasty sounding in the upper mids, but I'm pretty sure that's mostly the cab. I ran it for a while this weekend through a Two Notes Torpedo reactive load and into the Quad Cortex, and through IR and into headphones or the Fender cab it sounds a lot better. It's still not my cup of tea as it has basically a super clean channel and a pretty high gain channel that doesn't clean up the best, but it's not bad.

What I've been finding with modelers is there's a high end frequency to them that I have to dial out. In theory I shouldn't have to, but I've been running typically a high cut at around 5k so I don't get all the extra high end, even running through the effects return of the Orange tube amp into the speaker cabinet. It generally makes for a moving target. When I do the severe high cut at around 5k, the modelers start to sound pretty similar, so it gets to be more about the effects than anything else.

Friedman IR-X, I really like the simplicity and it's more plug and play compared to modelers, but I'm just not sure it's the right amp tone. The cleaner channel can do a nice breakup sound but it doesn't do big warm cleans as easily. The gain channel is really gainy and doesn't sound right with the gain dialed back. Kind of a scooped mids thing all the time. That's where I'm thinking the IR-D would be a better option...I think it would likely have a fuller sound in the mids and more versatility in the gain.

Don't get me wrong, it's not that everything sounds awful all the time, but I want more of a set and forget experience from the amp, where I can flip to one of a few sounds, and then have whatever effects sitting around that (probably coming from a modeler to be honest). And I don't want to have to fight the brightness all the time.
Based on this description, I'd give the BluGuitar Amp 1 ME + Fatcab a try.

I just tried with my LP Style guitar, and it was very pleasing all the way down to very low volumes, and there's no safe cracker's touch needed to adjust it either.

The one quirk is that you want to run the gain on the OD channel higher, and roll back your guitar volume/tone to get where you want it. Less bright cap effect.

As an example, for a nice crunch tone with a LP style guitar, I run the Vintage or Classic channel with gain around 6-7, then roll down my guitar volume to about 6-7 as well, and tone knob to about 7-8. The Amp 1 EQ with the Fatcab can just sit at 5-5-5 and that sounds good to me.

The little side tone knobs for the Modern, Classic and Clean channels are set around noon. You can turn them down to make the sound more old school, or up for brighter and more aggressive. The Classic channel with the tone knob down to about 9 o'clock is kinda like a Plexi, and around noon more like a JCM800. There's no tone knob for the Vintage because it sounds like a perfect old school Marshall as is!
 
THIS. I’ve been through everything and the only thing that has consistently worked at that sort of volume is Axe-Fx + Neumann monitors + some sweet pickups.

And it just keeps getting better.

In short, you’re still looking at a modeller.

Even when you play attenuated amps through real cabs at low volume, guitar speakers don’t quite have the same mojo when they aren’t moving much and being exercised “properly”.

So you remove the cab, send the signal through an IR, and at that point you’re essentially back to what sounds like one of the top tier modellers again.
Exactly! Be careful though, the thread's gatekeeper mongolian29 or whatever his name is will admonish you for statements like that!
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Love my Axe FX but using amps and a decent load box and IR’s is just better and more fun (for me).

AxeFX is awesome in its own way and a lot of fun too but it’s a different thing.
For me all the fun of real amps is in running them into a real cab. Recording my real cabs is also fun with real mics.

But if all I care about is going direct into headphones or studio monitors, the tube amp + loadbox is IMO no better than a great modeler. Just more boxes.

That's why for me things like built-in IR loaders, loadboxes etc aren't very important on real amps. I'll just use a modeler.
 
If the AxeFx WEREN’T fun for you, what would you recommend?
Real amps and load box is IMO the best compromise. And if you can stretch for a decent cab and a powerstation then even better as you have the option of using IR’s or driving a cab at any volume.

Just my opinion here but I’m not at all into smaller form cabinets that try and sound bigger or speaker brands that aren’t celestion. A good Celestion loaded cab is just THE sound and IMO I’d try and avoid compromising there.
 
For me all the fun of real amps is in running them into a real cab. Recording my real cabs is also fun with real mics.

But if all I care about is going direct into headphones or studio monitors, the tube amp + loadbox is IMO no better than a great modeler. Just more boxes.

That's why for me things like built-in IR loaders, loadboxes etc aren't very important on real amps. I'll just use a modeler.
Hmm you see for me it’s about the tactile experience, and many of your “decisions” are made just with the gear selection. It is what it is and you get on with it. Sonically you can get close with modelling or NAM etc but the process of getting there and experience of using it is a more apart, and IMO, inferior for the most part.
 
Hmm you see for me it’s about the tactile experience, and many of your “decisions” are made just with the gear selection. It is what it is and you get on with it. Sonically you can get close with modelling or NAM etc but the process of getting there and experience of using it is a more apart, and IMO, inferior for the most part.
I get the appeal of having something with limitations and working with said limitations. Plus knobs to turn instead of some damn editor to click!

But I'm also lazy. Like if I had something like GuitarJon's or Kyle Bull's amp collection...I'd just probably end up using whatever is already plugged in because swapping cables around is a chore. Or I'd have an amp/cab switcher like Euge Valovirta.
 
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