Dimehead NAM Player

[nikitasius]

What do you want to do with those extra samples anyway? Do you play guitar or is this just some project for you?

I play a guitar yep.
Why i need quality samples? To get best possible cab emulation, sure.
Why i need quality samples in the device? Guess cause they doesn't match the specs (2048 vs 4096). It's like you buy a wood table w/ plastic screws.

 

[Los-D]

 

[Dom Mcsweeney]

Can somebody with a NAM player share some info on how this works in the new firmware? Does it use the "send / return" metadata in the new NAM trainer profiles?

• Added a hint on the gain correction in the import dialog to use the suggested value for good levels.

Thanks!

this is related to level of IRs when importing, the changelog is a change to the text in the dialogue pop up on importing.

 

[paisleywookiee]

Btw, Boss GT-1000 Core exists since 2020 and their IR profiles they offer from the app are 3354 samples per profile

Help me here: I'm trying to figure out why you don't understand that YOU can load 4096 IR's onto this device.

Answer: Yes, indeed it is true that you can import an IR of 4096 samples in length.

 

[Dom Mcsweeney]

The funny thing about all of this 'sample length' argument is, you could just add the IR to the 'reverb' loader instead, and you'd get upto 60 seconds of support; that's 2,880,000 samples.

Job done.

 

[aldunk]

I play a guitar yep.
Why i need quality samples? To get best possible cab emulation, sure.
Why i need quality samples in the device? Guess cause they doesn't match the specs (2048 vs 4096). It's like you buy a wood table w/ plastic screws.

I'm not trying to be an asshole but I think the problem here is that you're possibly confusing the wording of "capable of"?
My car is capable of going a lot faster than I'll likely ever be able to drive it but I don't complain that it was falsely sold to me because I'm only ever doing the speed limit.

 

[Dom Mcsweeney]

I'm not trying to be an asshole but I think the problem here is that you're possibly confusing the wording of "capable of"?
My car is capable of going a lot faster than I'll likely ever be able to drive it but I don't complain that it was falsely sold to me because I'm only ever doing the speed limit.

Except

To reiterate:
They've decided (after hacking into the firmware, not from owning a unit, but just downloading and hacking into the firmware) that due to the 'stock IRs not being the length of 4096 samples', that it is proof that 'the unit doesn't support 4096'.

So "they are lying to him".

All of that isn't true, in the sense that... he's not discussing anything factual.
The unit's cab IR loader DOES support cab IRs up to a maximum of 4096 (or use the reverb block for longer).
The stock IRs provided are not that long. Boo hoo.

This is an incredibly futile conversation, and I would hope that it stops soon.

 

[nikitasius]

Help me here: I'm trying to figure out why you don't understand that YOU can load 4096 IR's onto this device.

On nam player? Read better previous posts.

The funny thing about all of this 'sample length' argument is, you could just add the IR to the 'reverb' loader instead, and you'd get upto 60 seconds of support; that's 2,880,000 samples.

Job done.

Their `.reverb` files contain different data comparede to "IR" files. Guess if you add IR to your reverb you will just "color" your reverb output.

I'm not trying to be an asshole but I think the problem here is that you're possibly confusing the wording of "capable of"?
My car is capable of going a lot faster than I'll likely ever be able to drive it but I don't complain that it was falsely sold to me because I'm only ever doing the speed limit.

Don't mix hardware & software.

You can lift your can and get 250/250 km/h. You can find a long road perfectly flat and in theory get your 250/250 cause you have right tires and overall mass. You can't get it in the city cause.. well if you can that's bad and dangerous behavior..
In this case your engine will allow you to get enough acceleration under some conditions (maybe it will take a while but you can come closer).

Next is software: you probably can go upto 300. But if you drive nissan gtr on a racing circuit in japan, so your car's GPS remove speed limiter :)

Your car shipped w/ correct fuel, oil, tires. Why nam player is shipped w/ "wrong oil"?.. hardware - ?. software - ?. "constructor" could tell us whats goin on.

Maybe simple human mistake or just "who cares cause noone will check".

 

[paisleywookiee]

On nam player? Read better previous posts.

Yes. On NAM Player. Do you notice everyone but you seeing the solution is loading your own 4096 IR's?

 

[nikitasius]

Except

To reiterate:
They've decided (after hacking into the firmware, not from owning a unit, but just downloading and hacking into the firmware) that due to the 'stock IRs not being the length of 4096 samples', that it is proof that 'the unit doesn't support 4096'.

So "they are lying to him".

All of that isn't true, in the sense that... he's not discussing anything factual.
The unit's cab IR loader DOES support cab IRs up to a maximum of 4096 (or use the reverb block for longer).
The stock IRs provided are not that long. Boo hoo.

This is an incredibly futile conversation, and I would hope that it stops soon.

There are no firmware hacking.

Lets google together:
> hack = gain unauthorized access to data in a system or computer.

• Download firmware? => via opensource browser after clicking the public link
• Read the ZIP => personal & free tool from opensource linux
• Mount the image with linux => personal & free tool from opensource linux
• Read the sh file => personal & free tool from opensource linux
• The "namplayer" => no actions, it's their proprietary stuff.
• Read NAM files => personal & free tool from opensource linux
• Read IR files => personal & free tool from opensource linux

Source:

• public and free website, no paywall/login.

Next was the question:

• Why you use 2048 sample IRs in 4096 device?
• Ban you, ja.

Hmm:

• Weird copypasted TOS w/ "are not to be equated with either a promise or a guarantee"
• Having SOXR LGPL lib
• Having unknown module "namplayer" & idk what the module do
• Having wording "supports"
• No news from "vendor"

This conversation exists while people are interested about the case and asking me. Like you contribute to keep it on.
I don't ask devs everyday, i asked them once and told once what they must do. If they ignore - i don't care and live without.

 

[nikitasius]

Yes. On NAM Player. Do you notice everyone but you seeing the solution is loading your own 4096 IR's?

I haven't paid nam player cause they are banned me :)
I want the devs make clear the situation i faced w/ their firmware.

 

[Dom Mcsweeney]

Technically, most cab IRs only contain useful data below that length anyway. So you normally would have to make your own IRs to be custom length. Of course, some are '500ms' or '200ms' etc... but the actual file can be inspected in your DAW like any other .wav, and you'll find practically nothing useful.

Here is a randomly chosen IR (ownhammer h30)
Nothing to see past about 2500 samples.

If you are THIS serious about your IRs being 4096 samples in length and actually own a NAM Player unit then, by all means import your custom IRs into it and enjoy the full amount of cpu cost, for very little returns or any meaningful difference in 'tone'.

Happy that it supports 4096, but it's really a trace detail - and absolutely bizarre to be going around in circles about it when there's no way it can be anything but 'what it says on the tin'.

 

[Dom Mcsweeney]

Their `.reverb` files contain different data comparede to "IR" files. Guess if you add IR to your reverb you will just "color" your reverb output.

the reverb is a complete convolution (IR) reverb with up to 2880000 samples (60s) and has nothing to do with sound "coloring"
it technically does exactly the same thing

 

[paisleywookiee]

I want the devs make clear the situation i faced w/ their firmware.

They did.

 

[Dom Mcsweeney]

All of this is like someone peering in through a misty shop window, not seeing everything inside the shop, then throwing a rock at the window to try and get a better view. After still not gaining all the details, incorrectly complaining online that something wasn't clear about a detail that is utterly debunked over and over, but, again, you threw a rock at a window in order to find out something you didn't trust so 'you did that'.
"You must be right".
Nope. You are throwing rocks and you aren't right.
That is both stupid, paranoid, and self incriminating.
Surely everyone can see that this is complete madness.

 

[nikitasius]

Technically, most cab IRs only contain useful data below that length anyway. So you normally would have to make your own IRs to be custom length. Of course, some are '500ms' or '200ms' etc... but the actual file can be inspected in your DAW like any other .wav, and you'll find practically nothing useful.

Here is a randomly chosen IR (ownhammer h30)
Nothing to see past about 2500 samples.

If you are THIS serious about your IRs being 4096 samples in length and actually own a NAM Player unit then, by all means import your custom IRs into it and enjoy the full amount of cpu cost, for very little returns or any meaningful difference in 'tone'.

Happy that it supports 4096, but it's really a trace detail - and absolutely bizarre to be going around in circles about it when there's no way it can be anything but 'what it says on the tin'.



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I don't have to own nam unit to ask the questions. You suppose to ask before you buy, not after if something aren't clear.

About IR size:
There are 1024 samples, there are 2300 and even 8k & more. You can capture more of your speaker work & hall w/ reflections (if they are present).
50ms - just 17 m (8m reflected), but 200ms IR sample it's almost 69m (1 reflection in 33m or 6 reflections in 11m size room). That's about details & coloring. AK4558 is 32bit/216kHz which they use in 32b/48kHz looks like, that's great.

About IRs in nam player device:
you know my question and devs don't answer me.

And they won't answer me directly cause they are banned me for asking these questions
Thats why i'm on a public forum where one of them have an account.

 

[nikitasius]

the reverb is a complete convolution (IR) reverb with up to 2880000 samples (60s) and has nothing to do with sound "coloring"
it technically does exactly the same thing

open `.reverb` file from firmware & play it :)

 

[nikitasius]

All of this is like someone peering in through a misty shop window, not seeing everything inside the shop, then throwing a rock at the window to try and get a better view. After still not gaining all the details, incorrectly complaining online that something wasn't clear about a detail that is utterly debunked over and over, but, again, you threw a rock at a window in order to find out something you didn't trust so 'you did that'.
"You must be right".
Nope. You are throwing rocks and you aren't right.
That is both stupid, paranoid, and self incriminating.
Surely everyone can see that this is complete madness.

Modern commerce oblige us to have well defined specs & terms which are legally can't be inferior to local laws and can only extend them.

 

[Dom Mcsweeney]

throws rock at window
bounces back and hits face

ouch

 

[nikitasius]

throws rock at window
bounces back and hits face

ouch

You could knock the door (instagram/facebook) and check the free-use carton boxes (firmware) around the store (website), haha!