Digital Igloo (Eric Klein, YGG)

Digital Igloo said:
AFAIK, Two notes' "DynIR" is just a marketing term for baking multiple IRs into a single cab selection; I don't think they respond to input level (but I could be wrong). Not sure how BOSS' AIRD cabs work, but FWIU they sound like our old Hybrid cabs with additional logic for speaker impedance. Celestion's SpeakerMix Pro is certainly unique; maybe there's something there. However, I doubt we'll be reinventing our cab engine again so soon.
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IMO things like Celestion SpeakerMix Pro don't sound any better than typical IR loaders and using well-made IRs, whichever ones you prefer. So far any claims of "dynamic IRs" have amounted to nothing relevant.
 
Digital Igloo said:
AFAIK, "DynIR" de dos notas es solo un término de marketing para hornear múltiples IR en una sola selección de cabina; No creo que respondan al nivel de entrada (pero podría estar equivocado). No estoy seguro de cómo funcionan las cabinas AIRD de BOSS, pero FWIU suenan como nuestras viejas cabinas híbridas con lógica adicional para la impedancia de los altavoces. El SpeakerMix Pro de Celestion es ciertamente único; tal vez hay algo allí. Sin embargo, dudo que volvamos a reinventar nuestro motor de cabina tan pronto.
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ok! Yes, basically what these cabs emulate (AIRD from BOSS and Celestion Plus) is the sensation when playing on a real speaker. The interaction between the amplifier and the speaker.
 
laxu said:
En mi opinión, las cosas como Celestion SpeakerMix Pro no suenan mejor que los cargadores IR típicos y el uso de IR bien hechos, cualquiera que prefiera. Hasta ahora, cualquier reclamo de "IR dinámicos" no ha sido nada relevante.
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Hello, the difference is felt by touch, not so much in the sound. A real speaker is not static, besides giving you an "eq" it responds in different ways to different ways of playing, you have dynamics. In the IR the dynamics does not exist it is only EQ. That's basically the difference, and when you play with a "FRFR", the dynamics are very different from playing with a real cab.
 
Perrymusica said:
the difference is felt by touch
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Perrymusica said:
Hello, the difference is felt by touch, not so much in the sound. A real speaker is not static, besides giving you an "eq" it responds in different ways to different ways of playing, you have dynamics. In the IR the dynamics does not exist it is only EQ. That's basically the difference, and when you play with a "FRFR", the dynamics are very different from playing with a real cab.
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Fullrange systems put out the sound of a miced cab. It's a different sound altogether.

If you have the means, try making your own impulse responses of a real miced cab. You will find that they sound and feel very close vs listening to the miced signal directly.
 
laxu said:
Los sistemas de rango completo emiten el sonido de una cabina con micrófonos. Es un sonido completamente diferente.

Si tiene los medios, intente hacer sus propias respuestas de impulso de un verdadero taxi con ratones. Descubrirá que suenan y se sienten muy cerca en lugar de escuchar la señal del mouse directamente.
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Thanks a lot for the suggestion! yes, i make my own impulses, and honestly the helix sounds unbelievable in a real box with celestion v30 for example. For me it is my best combination, helix + real cab. When I use the "flat" IRs on the "FRFR" it doesn't respond the same way, the tone is very similar but I can't get the "FRFR" to respond the same way, the actual cab compresses and rounds the sound in a way that I love, but I'm testing how to achieve that feeling that the real cab gives. I understand that the powercab does this job very well, the speaker mode is excellent, and I want to achieve that with my "FRFR". That it sounds like a real cab and not a miked one. I'll see if I can make it
 
Perrymusica said:
Thanks a lot for the suggestion! yes, i make my own impulses, and honestly the helix sounds unbelievable in a real box with celestion v30 for example. For me it is my best combination, helix + real cab. When I use the "flat" IRs on the "FRFR" it doesn't respond the same way, the tone is very similar but I can't get the "FRFR" to respond the same way, the actual cab compresses and rounds the sound in a way that I love, but I'm testing how to achieve that feeling that the real cab gives. I understand that the powercab does this job very well, the speaker mode is excellent, and I want to achieve that with my "FRFR". That it sounds like a real cab and not a miked one. I'll see if I can make it
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The quality of your output system matters, but ultimately a highly directional guitar cab that chops off a ton of high end just by standing off-center will not sound the same as a fullrange system that tends to be less directional. I think treating them as two things is going to be better than trying to replicate how your cab sounds in the room.
 
laxu said:
IMO things like Celestion SpeakerMix Pro don't sound any better than typical IR loaders and using well-made IRs, whichever ones you prefer. So far any claims of "dynamic IRs" have amounted to nothing relevant.
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Didn't want to say it myself, but yeah, we haven't heard anything that gives us the slightest bit of pause on our new cab methodology. There's a lot of hype out there and if a company says "there's more dynamics," it'll make you expect to hear more dynamics... which means you'll actually think there's more dynamics... which means you'll tell others there's more dynamics. Marketing can be powerful. <looking at you, [name redacted]>

But sound is imminently measurable. When über-expensive, ultra-sensitive measurement tools can't measure something, it simply doesn't exist, crystal lattices and $20,000 IEC cables be damned. Igor's video on psychoacoustics should be revisited often.
 
Digital Igloo said:
Didn't want to say it myself, but yeah, we haven't heard anything that gives us the slightest bit of pause on our new cab methodology. There's a lot of hype out there and if a company says "there's more dynamics," it'll make you expect to hear more dynamics... which means you'll actually think there's more dynamics... which means you'll tell others there's more dynamics. Marketing can be powerful. <looking at you, [name redacted]>

But sound is imminently measurable. When über-expensive, ultra-sensitive measurement tools can't measure something, it simply doesn't exist, crystal lattices and $20,000 IEC cables be damned. Igor's video on psychoacoustics should be revisited often.
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Thank you very much Eric! I take it into account! I really appreciate your opinion
 
dronerstone said:
Really? I've always been under the impression the "dynamic" in their product name only stands for how the mic positions can be tweaked excessively.
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Didn't look up Two Notes statements, but Celestion is explicitely claiming that there's some sort of dynamic behaviour.
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Introducing Celestion’s new SpeakerMix Pro Plugin with Dynamic Speaker Responses: the Next Generation of Digital Tone - Celestion

The new Celestion SpeakerMix Pro plugin (VST, AAX, AU) is designed to be a studio-grade application, enabling you to produce stunningly realistic guitar tones in your DAW. Far more than just an IR loader and mixer, SpeakerMix Pro delivers pristine sound, while offering a whole host of features...
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