Digital Igloo (Eric Klein, YGG)

I'm fairly surprised that maybe one person's complained about the only effects model from HD500X (and earlier PODs) we didn't include in Helix—the vocoder.
 
Sascha Franck said:
Might've been unclear but I was rather interested in how this was done in the POD.
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It uses the XLR mic input as the modulator and the carrier is the guitar signal. It worked... okay. There are a few YouTube videos of people using it for "Living on a Prayer."
 
Sascha Franck said:
A talkbox needs some extra equipment (a mini speaker feeding a tube) and with that you could already use it with the Helix.
A vocoder is working quite differently, would need some synth-alike functions built into the Helix (such as modulating one signal with another).
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of course Sascha, but you can emulate talkbox without :



And VST too :

 
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I agree it is not the same, anyway if it is possible to exploit the mic input that way, why not considering a talkbox/vocoder in Helix floor ?
Sascha Franck said:
A talkbox needs some extra equipment (a mini speaker feeding a tube) and with that you could already use it with the Helix.
A vocoder is working quite differently, would need some synth-alike functions built into the Helix (such as modulating one signal with another).
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Sascha Franck said:
But these are a lot more like a vocoder.
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zib said:
I agree it is not the same, anyway if it is possible to exploit the mic input that way, why not considering a talkbox/vocoder in Helix floor ?
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Yeah, a vocoder would probably be cool (as said, I didn't even know it was in the POD series), but for a real talkbox actually working the same way, you'd still need a small speaker feeding sound into your mouth through a tube. Would possibly be sufficient for most use cases to start with a vocoder, though.
 
Sascha Franck said:
Yeah, a vocoder would probably be cool (as said, I didn't even know it was in the POD series), but for a real talkbox actually working the same way, you'd still need a small speaker feeding sound into your mouth through a tube. Would possibly be sufficient for most use cases to start with a vocoder, though.
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Why are the people on these forums always so averse to a new idea, immediately shutting it down as not possible? What is Power cab for if not Talk Box effects?!?!? Doesn't Line 6 know just how important accurate covers of Living on a Prayer are for the Margarita Mike's circuit?!?!?!?!?
 
I use my XLR Mic input to bring a monitor send into Helix, on it's own audio path, and mix the band mix with my guitar, so I have full control, (and stereo FX, mind you), over how much guitar I hear in my IEMs vs the band.
 
Boudoir Guitar said:
Why are the people on these forums always so averse to a new idea, immediately shutting it down as not possible? What is Power cab for if not Talk Box effects?!?!? Doesn't Line 6 know just how important accurate covers of Living on a Prayer are for the Margarita Mike's circuit?!?!?!?!?
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Look at Mr. Bigshot, playin' Margarita Mike's! For the working man it's the Budweiser Barry's circuit! The only Talk Box you get is old Hank in the corner who refuses to shut up!
 
Digital Igloo said:
I'll be gobsmacked if IK doesn't release a profile player pedal—it takes very little DSP to run one; any cheap ARM could do it. Neural might too, but if I had to guess, they're instead feverishly working on a single-chip Dual Cortex to snake some of that sweet, sweet HX Stomp money. Because original ideas are hard.
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Digital Igloo said:
I'm fairly surprised that maybe one person's complained about the only effects model from HD500X (and earlier PODs) we didn't include in Helix—the vocoder.
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I've complained.. there have been others, most notably that guy with 10 bazillion guitars
 
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Hi DI and forumers,
I'm happy with 3.50, and we all know next update will add more new generation cabs and a few extra new toys whose Line6 have the secret.
We all have a pantheon of amps and effects, some are already in Helix (thank you). I would ask the genie of the lamp this wishlist :
• Adrenalinn arpeggiator sequencer (with easy preset editor to share some sequences, Helix' asheville pattern v2 if you want).
• Talkbox/vocoder (it would be for Helix Rack and Floor only, flagships owner will love to exploit the mic input)
• Presets per effect and setlist for 128 impulses drag and drop because it seems so easy to do in my imaginary.
Have a nice day everyone.

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zib said:
Bingo (not sure if I can use this) mister Digital Igloo:
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It wasn’t a particularly difficult prediction. We knew exactly what it'd look like too, although the built-in compressor was a nice surprise.

I'm actually surprised so few are able to read between the lines and figure out what companies are working on. It's glaringly obvious to us what others are doing; one particular company's controversial decision is currently perceived by their users as "not working yet," although the reason why it's not working has nothing to do with ability, scope, or development time. It's purposeful omission for $$$$$.
Sleezy E said:
I've complained.. there have been others, most notably that guy with 10 bazillion guitars
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Sure, but who's straight up said "Hey, why didn't you bring the vocoder from POD HD500X to Helix?" Almost no one because almost no one used it in POD either. It's something we'd still love to do, but not because of overwhelming demand.
zib said:
Hi DI and forumers,
I'm happy with 3.50, and we all know next update will add more new generation cabs and a few extra new toys whose Line6 have the secret.
We all have a pantheon of amps and effects, some are already in Helix (thank you). I would ask the genie of the lamp this wishlist :
  1. Adrenalinn arpeggiator sequencer (with easy preset editor to share some sequences, Helix' asheville pattern v2 if you want).
  2. Talkbox/vocoder (it would be for Helix Rack and Floor only, flagships owner will love to exploit the mic input)
  3. Presets per effect and setlist for 128 impulses drag and drop because it seems so easy to do in my imaginary.
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  1. You mean one that could be applied to any number of parameter(s), not just filter cutoff, yes? Modulators (or whatever you call 'em) have been done well by others, but few people actually use them. We'd have to figure out how to bring them front and center and yet not get in the way of traditional use, not unlike what we did with Snapshots.
  2. It's been in our gigantic backlog since before Helix was announced. Would love to finally get around to it one of these days, but yeah, it's one of those things that few users will actually take advantage of, especially considering it'd only work properly in two SKUs... without external line transformers or mic pres, of course.
  3. Presets per model... give me a bit of pause. There are ways to make it work, but I'd argue yet another level of obfuscation (that is, yet another list to slog through) isn't it. How many presets per model would be ideal? (By the way, Favorites, while not overly flexible, is our current method of solving some of these problems.) Not sure what setlist for 128 IRs drag and drop means; you mean multiple IR folders?
 
Digital Igloo said:
Not sure what setlist for 128 IRs drag and drop means; you mean multiple IR folders
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Thanks for your sincere answers and implication mister Digital Igloo. There are setlists for presets but not for impulses. The solution we have for now is to drag and drop 128 IRs (and make several files of 128 IRs). Not a question but you know evryone wonder if Line6's technology watch will lead to a jump in the profiles'rabbit hole. I must admit that IRs really impoved our tones yesterday, and today Kemper, Quad Cortex and ToneX are another step. For eg. ToneX sounds different, in an interesting way, more genuine/authentic/real (french here, I can't choose the right word, pick your favorite). ToneX pedal will be a 500$/€ profile and impulses loader with built-in soundcard. Ik multimedia community makes the profiles data bank grow (maybe too much). Have a nice day DI and forumers.
 
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Digital Igloo said:
Modulators (or whatever you call 'em) have been done well by others, but few people actually use them.
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Pretty likely that's also because they're very uncommon in guitar land, so people don't have an idea of what they might be useful for just yet.
It might even be true that somewhat more nifty things such as envelopes and LFOs might not be what people would make much use of, even if they knew how to deal with them (lowest common denominators however shouldn't always be ultima ratio...), but just think about something such as input level being available as a modulator for pretty much anything. Apart from certain esoteric things (such as an amp distorting more when you turn down your guitar volume), you could actually design pretty much any kind of amp dynamics your way. Amp doesn't clean up the way you like it? Well, modulate gain via input level until things are just right. Add some tonestack modulation so it's getting even better. Or add ducking to each and every effect instantly, should you feel like. Customize the way a filter acts, etc.
Yeah, sure, most people probably still wouldn't care. But some would.
 
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