Atomic Tonocracy (Inc NAM support)

2dor said:
Try running Bertom Denoiser the first thing in your chain and use these settings to being with. If it's too aggressive, Raise the "Threshold" slider a little bit (the one on the very left side).

View attachment 18898
Click to expand...

Well that's that's the best 'denoiser'/gate I've used so far. .Retains all the reverb /delay tails, and completely cuts off all the noise of those wicked hi-gain captures, when used in conjuction with the Tonocracy gate. Tone doesn't suffer at all. I mean it's literally perfect. THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!
 
ericbr1 said:
Well that's that's the best 'denoiser'/gate I've used so far. .Retains all the reverb /delay tails, and completely cuts off all the noise of those wicked hi-gain captures, when used in conjuction with the Tonocracy gate. Tone doesn't suffer at all. I mean it's literally perfect. THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!
Click to expand...
You're very welcome.
That plugin was a big revelation for me. I end up using the gate in NAM with a -100 dB threshold with Bertom Denoiser first in the chain - squeaky clean sound.
Jason Zdora pointed it out to me - hell of a tip.
 
Also toy around with the "HF Bias" button. I have it engaged because with it off, it felt like some of the high end on my DI was gettin chopped off.
 
I've made 24 preamp only captures of my Synergy Vai module, mostly lead channel stuff. There are also poweramp captures on my tonehunt site as well. Will add a couple JMP poweramps later on and Synergy BE DLX preamp captures. I'll resume with the Tonocracy stuff tomorrow evening.

All my captures are made with the Walrus Canvas Reamp Box and the Suhr Reactive Load, if needed. My calibration level is +12.4 dBU

tonehunt.org

SlamminMofo's Profile | ToneHunt

See SlamminMofo's models on ToneHunt, including Mesa Boogie Mark IV Lead [Hyper Accuracy] and Mesa Boogie Mark IV Rhythm [Hyper Accuracy]
tonehunt.org tonehunt.org

Hope you enjoy these captures!
 
theimageofall said:
Would anybody with better ears than mine fancy spending a few minutes trying some Tonocracy captures I made today and passing comment (positive/negative/both - I’m not sensitive!)?

They are of a couple of Jet City 22H’s that I have modded to JCM800, Plexi and VH4 Channel 4 type specs.

Also tried out capturing a Hayden Mofo 30 that I recently acquired.

I’m trying to improve my capturing technique/ears.
Click to expand...
Sure, I can try your captures. Have you uploaded them to the Tonocracy cloud or do you want to share them with a Tonocracy folder link here on this forum?
 
Slammin Mofo said:
I've made 24 preamp only captures of my Synergy Vai module, mostly lead channel stuff. There are also poweramp captures on my tonehunt site as well. Will add a couple JMP poweramps later on and Synergy BE DLX preamp captures. I'll resume with the Tonocracy stuff tomorrow evening.

All my captures are made with the Walrus Canvas Reamp Box and the Suhr Reactive Load, if needed. My calibration level is +12.4 dBU

tonehunt.org

SlamminMofo's Profile | ToneHunt

See SlamminMofo's models on ToneHunt, including Mesa Boogie Mark IV Lead [Hyper Accuracy] and Mesa Boogie Mark IV Rhythm [Hyper Accuracy]
tonehunt.org tonehunt.org

Hope you enjoy these captures!
Click to expand...
Your stuff's great man. I also tried your CCV preamp - dug it a lot.
 
Slammin Mofo said:
Let me know what you think of the CCV set. I've used a more classical approach with this set, just captured some tones with different guitars that I liked as oppossed to the more meticulous sets where I really hone in on the powersection and the gain levels of a specific preamp EQ setting.
Click to expand...
CCV ToneSnaps are killer. It nails the modern hot-odded Marshall stuff really well. I like it better than the NDSP Fortin Cali through the same cab!!

2dor said:
Appreciate the feedback buddy! I went through several reamp chain iterations and I think I landed on a very good setup with insights from @MirrorProfiles on calibration etc.
I'm looking at doing a teaser Chupacabra 50 pack now.
I usually do most stuff for NAM & pin it up on Tonehunt (https://tonehunt.org/2dor) but I've pushed a couple of things into Tonocracy when I was trying it out.
Click to expand...
Yes! The NAM stuff is what I’ve mostly grabbed. Really good stuff! And yes, can’t forget about @MirrorProfiles since his 5150 RED is fire :satan

At this rate, @DrewJD82, you guys can put together your own TGF Gift Of Tone at the end of 2024 :rofl
:chef
 
Last edited:
Slammin Mofo said:
Sure, I can try your captures. Have you uploaded them to the Tonocracy cloud or do you want to share them with a Tonocracy folder link here on this forum?
Click to expand...
Thanks - appreciate that.

I have uploaded them to the cloud. Searching for Jet City 22H should locate them or they are a fairly recent upload.
 
I guess I spoke too soon on my last post. Not sounding right with my Helix as my interface in standalone mode or through Logic.

I get an odd sound, like there is another clean signal path that is being mixed in with Tonocracy. Imagine playing a high gain amp, and mixed in is a JC-120 totally clean at ta slightly lower volume but you can hear it.

I've tested it with the Tonex Pedal as the interface and all factory patches , NAM etc sound like the correct singular signal at -18db on the output of the amp block.

Here is the odd thing. I recorded a quick clip through Tonocracy, and it sounds fine. No audible anomalies, other than my crap playing.

I'm starting to think this is an issue with my Helix, because even Native is exhibiting the same behavior with the Helix as the audio interface. I haven't had this issue before. Trying to run down gremlins, and my internet service is acting up to top it all off.

Very frustrating.
 
Last edited:
mavrick102000 said:
I guess I spoke too soon on my last post. Not sounding right with my Helix as my interface in standalone mode or through Logic.

I get an odd sound, like there is another clean signal path that is being mixed in with Tonocracy. Imagine playing a high gain amp, and mixed in is a JC-120 totally clean at ta slightly lower volume but you can hear it.

I've tested it with the Tonex Pedal as the interface and all factory patches , NAM etc sound like the correct singular signal at -18db on the output of the amp block.

Here is the odd thing. I recorded a quick clip through Tonocracy, and it sounds fine. No audible anomalies, other than my crap playing.

I'm starting to think this is an issue with my Helix, because even Native is exhibiting the same behavior with the Helix as the audio interface. I haven't had this issue before. Trying to run down gremlins, and my internet service is acting up to top it all off.

Very frustrating.
Click to expand...
Not saying this is happening to you at all, OK? But what you describe is just what I felt when I used my Helix LT as an interface with plugins... the latency was very high and I was just listening the unplugged strings sound mixed with the amplified sound (at home, I can´t raise the volume too much, so more or less there was room enough for the acoustic sound to mix in). The latency was creating the chorusy effect I was hearing.

Again, I´m sure you´ve ruled out this possibility... I´m just pointing it out because I don´t think Helix is a good device to be used as audio interface if the goal is using plugins with low latency.
 
mavrick102000 said:
I guess I spoke too soon on my last post. Not sounding right with my Helix as my interface in standalone mode or through Logic.

I get an odd sound, like there is another clean signal path that is being mixed in with Tonocracy. Imagine playing a high gain amp, and mixed in is a JC-120 totally clean at ta slightly lower volume but you can hear it.

I've tested it with the Tonex Pedal as the interface and all factory patches , NAM etc sound like the correct singular signal at -18db on the output of the amp block.

Here is the odd thing. I recorded a quick clip through Tonocracy, and it sounds fine. No audible anomalies, other than my crap playing.

I'm starting to think this is an issue with my Helix, because even Native is exhibiting the same behavior with the Helix as the audio interface. I haven't had this issue before. Trying to run down gremlins, and my internet service is acting up to top it all off.

Very frustrating.
Click to expand...
You probably have DI monitoring turned on. Happened to me probably every time I switched interfaces lol.
You just need to figure out which output you need to monitor to get the "wet / processed" sound and mute the others.
 
Well I attempted another capture last night, and it came out noisy. I don't know why. My ToneX and NAM captures don't.
 
Nothing I like better than spending 2 hours on making captures and having none of them turn out.


Ugh Sigh GIF by The Voice
 
2dor said:
You probably have DI monitoring turned on. Happened to me probably every time I switched interfaces lol.
You just need to figure out which output you need to monitor to get the "wet / processed" sound and mute the others.
Click to expand...
That was mostly it - total brain fart.

I looked at the output on the blank preset, it was set to multi, instead of USB 1/2. :facepalm

TADA!
 
Sedaxel said:
Not saying this is happening to you at all, OK? But what you describe is just what I felt when I used my Helix LT as an interface with plugins... the latency was very high and I was just listening the unplugged strings sound mixed with the amplified sound (at home, I can´t raise the volume too much, so more or less there was room enough for the acoustic sound to mix in). The latency was creating the chorusy effect I was hearing.

Again, I´m sure you´ve ruled out this possibility... I´m just pointing it out because I don´t think Helix is a good device to be used as audio interface if the goal is using plugins with low latency.
Click to expand...
I agree from a latency perspective, it's a little higher from a round trip perspective than other interfaces.

But, it works well enough, when I remember to set the output to USB 1/2 instead of multi. :facepalm

Multi outputs to USB 1/2 (Plugin/DAW), 1/4 and XLR simultaneously and introduces this anomaly. It's been so long since I've overlooked it, and I've been pretty tired, so that combination will bring about a very slow resolution to a simple troubleshooting issue.
 
Slammin Mofo said:
I've made 24 preamp only captures of my Synergy Vai module, mostly lead channel stuff. There are also poweramp captures on my tonehunt site as well. Will add a couple JMP poweramps later on and Synergy BE DLX preamp captures. I'll resume with the Tonocracy stuff tomorrow evening.

All my captures are made with the Walrus Canvas Reamp Box and the Suhr Reactive Load, if needed. My calibration level is +12.4 dBU

tonehunt.org

SlamminMofo's Profile | ToneHunt

See SlamminMofo's models on ToneHunt, including Mesa Boogie Mark IV Lead [Hyper Accuracy] and Mesa Boogie Mark IV Rhythm [Hyper Accuracy]
tonehunt.org tonehunt.org

Hope you enjoy these captures!
Click to expand...
Thank you for all of the great captures.

All of your captures sound great in Tonocracy!

It takes a bit more work for me to tweak input levels on Tonex to get usable results across all of those captures, Tonex is a bit more finicky that way. It's odd because I know you know how to dial in the amps.

Once I downloaded the same amp captures from you in Tonocracy, all of them sounded good, it just comes down to usage preference vs. I'm pretty sure that's not the true sound Slammin' captured in Tonex, then adjusting input gain.

I think I have all of your captures downloaded, I just haven't had a chance to demo with the power amps and setup a pre-amp signal chain with them yet. I'll work on that today.
 
Orvillain said:
Well I attempted another capture last night, and it came out noisy. I don't know why. My ToneX and NAM captures don't.
Click to expand...
What does your tonesnap window look like and which audio interface are you using?

Here's mine for comparison:

kp3HDKI.jpeg


Have you followed this guide?


This is really strange, I can only speak for myself, but the captures should reflect the real amp very closely when it comes to gain. The captures shouldn't be noisier, either, just like the real amp. Hopefully we can figure this out.
 
mavrick102000 said:
Thank you for all of the great captures.

All of your captures sound great in Tonocracy!

It takes a bit more work for me to tweak input levels on Tonex to get usable results across all of those captures, Tonex is a bit more finicky that way. It's odd because I know you know how to dial in the amps.

Once I downloaded the same amp captures from you in Tonocracy, all of them sounded good, it just comes down to usage preference vs. I'm pretty sure that's not the true sound Slammin' captured in Tonex, then adjusting input gain.

I think I have all of your captures downloaded, I just haven't had a chance to demo with the power amps and setup a pre-amp signal chain with them yet. I'll work on that today.
Click to expand...
Thanks for your kind words!

Yes, one big advantage of Tonocracy is definitely the input level standardization! I know a lot of people will say that's not a big issue, but to me, and many others, it is a big deal as, with Tonex, you simply will never play the captures with the gain level they're intended to, except if you're lucky and stumble upon the correct input trim setting by accident. In some cases, guessing the input trim works fine, but there's always this feeling on missing out on the sweet spot of a specific capture, especially if those are high quality captures to begin with and you just know they should sound good.

I'll upload my Snyergy BE DLX capture set when I get back home, should be another set of around 24 captures or so. I'll make some additional poweramp captures with EL34 amps, like my Friedman SS 100 and my Folkesson MK VII which is a heavily modded JMP 2203 with a tube buffered fx loop. I still have a quite a few Synergy preamps and a couple amazing other preamps that I'd like to capture for this little NAM preamp/poweramp project.

Just keep in mind that my signal chain is calibrated to +12.4 dBu and you should be good to go. Some of those poweramp captures can feel weird if hit too hard or not hard enough.
 
Last edited:
Slammin Mofo said:
What does your tonesnap window look like and which audio interface are you using?

Here's mine for comparison:

kp3HDKI.jpeg


Have you followed this guide?


This is really strange, I can only speak for myself, but the captures should reflect the real amp very closely when it comes to gain. The captures shouldn't be noisier, either, just like the real amp. Hopefully we can figure this out.
Click to expand...
I'm certainly not getting anything close to yours. I am following the guide, yes. At least I think I am.
1708523288958.png


I am using a Presonus Quantum and a Signal Art Reamp box. Line Out 1 goes to the reamp box, and to get the result here... I have to crank the output of the reamp box. Something I have never needed to do in the past.

The Quantum line outs:
Maximum Output Level +18 dBu

The Hi-Z input:
Maximum Input Level +15 dBu
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

laxu
Hotone Ampero II Stomp - Review
6 7 8
Replies
146
Views
8K
KingsXJJ
KingsXJJ
Back
Top