Atomic Tonocracy (Inc NAM support)

Orvillain said:
I don't know if I would go that far, but I would say their searching and filtering mechanics are pretty poor. The actual capture process is very straight forward and intuitive. So once I make a capture, I just go back to Amplitube 5 for the most part. I get some really good in the box tones from it.
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JiveTurkey said:
I had like 2 successful captures out of probably 20+ tries? No rhyme or reason why they either were WAYYYYY undergained or plain just failed.

I worked with support (aka sent them caps and other temp data files created in the process while they pretended to want to solve my problem while never solving the problem). I know you don't dig the Kemper but it was never that irritating for me. Combine that with the software and overall vibe and it was an easy decision for me to pull the plug.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Maybe this will light a fire under IK's collective butt, and they'll look to make the same changes to ToneX, in terms of the capture process. Competition is almost always a good thing. I actually think once you do get a good cap, it's fantastic. I had a lot of the same issues as Turkey did though. Stuff that should be a pummeling and tight Badlander were often "meh".
 
paisleywookiee said:
Maybe this will light a fire under IK's collective butt, and they'll look to make the same changes to ToneX, in terms of the capture process. Competition is almost always a good thing. I actually think once you do get a good cap, it's fantastic. I had a lot of the same issues as Turkey did though. Stuff that should be a pummeling and tight Badlander were often "meh".
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To add to the conversation; adding features has never been a strong suit so it might make more sense to keep those expectations tempered.
 
paisleywookiee said:
And that's fair; it's just that you're not exactly unbiased here, when you're getting the product at no cost, wouldn't you say?
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You really think 150 bucks buys my loyalty?
Im a bit more expensive.

But yes i am biased because me and Tom go back to the days he was at Fractal.
But at the same time since i actually consider him a friend i likely give him more grief than any one here. I just do it in private.

Just as i stopped using Amplifire i will always move on to any product that makes my work flow easier, no matter if i pay or not.
 
Ed DeGenaro said:
You really think 150 bucks buys my loyalty?
Im a bit more expensive.

But yes i am biased because me and Tom go back to the days he was at Fractal.
But at the same time since i actually consider him a friend i likely give him more grief than any one here. I just do it in private.

Just as i stopped using Amplifire i will always move on to any product that makes my work flow easier, no matter if i pay or not.
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No, I think people naturally say nice things about stuff they get for free, regardless of what it retails for.
 
paisleywookiee said:
No, I think people naturally say nice things about stuff they get for free, regardless of what it retails for.
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and also… your expectations on how it should work and what kind of service you get is impossible to gauge unless you’re a paying customer.

(I know full well I treat things differently if I got it for free vs if I paid money for it). If it feels like a lot of money then the expectations are higher. It’s why Audio Assault have a free pass to be chaotic, the price is so ridiculous that I can’t have any expectations.
 
Ed DeGenaro said:
Im clearly not Mensa…
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:beer

I'm sure forums populated mostly by amateurs are super annoying for legit pros like yourself. In my professional life, if there is something that might allow me to be more efficient, I buy it and use it - figure out what works/doesn't in use and if its not working out, buy something else -- there is no "value" in spending my professional time "researching" which thing is going to be the most optimal. Just buy shit and move forward. Regardless of whether the thing has some annoyances, could be tuned better, etc., if it improves my efficiency by even a percentage point, the thing has likely paid for itself.

But in hobby land, I become the annoying twat that's perfectly fine pissing and moaning about any slight deviation from fully optimized state, and/or become an absolute tightwad with "pffft, if this camera was good enough for professionals 20 years ago, surely its good enough for me today!!!"
 
paisleywookiee said:
No, I think people naturally say nice things about stuff they get for free, regardless of what it retails for.
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Yeah sure when i get 2 or 6k stuff but not 150 bucks. But if you choose to see me this way not a thing i can say to change that.

Just remember all the guys telling you no one rides free lie
 
The best advice for Atomic Amps, and Tom, is beware of the 'yes men'.
Obviously, you are aiming to improve the product, and that deserves praise, but you are only doing that based on people who have delivered constructive criticism. Clearly, you are not doing this based on people you've given free NFRs to, who are here in this forum 'fluffing' and 'licking' and literally sounding like they've been paid to be shilling your products.
 
I haven't licked anyones anything to come here and say: I just spent an hour setting up some presets, some with NAM captures some with Tonocracy captures, getting output levels evened out and eq set etc since it was my first chance to play without headphones at a real volume level.
It's still really good.

I discovered the UI folder system has a thing I really like. The whole preset chain is there at the top obviously and in the 'panels' where the controls are for a block...amp, cab etc. etc. there is the name of the file that is in that block that you highlight. Click it and the folder system on the left side changes to where that file is. You can just double tap a file in the folder and it populates the block. Play, double click others , find the better choice just keep playing. Hit the back button backs right out to where you were. Hit save.
Makes comparing choices quick and not distracting. Tonex takes a lot longer to do the things I did today.

And no leaving the editor where you do those things to log into Tonenet, waiting....scroll some choices....wait for refresh....scroll some more....damn useless digital artwork of amp face eating up screen real estate...refresh happens....scroll some more....wait for refresh again....hit the tabs to go between Preset and Tones.....want to edit your preset for the pedal? HeH! Basically you go back to editor and recreate the settings and then upload it to the librarian, go to librarian to get it into the pedal...then play... What?!? You wish you had added a little more or less of something? or want to try a different cab since it doesn't sound right now that you are playing that preset in the pedal? Sorry go back and do it again. then scroll to load it over the preset you just loaded. Don't worry eventually you'll get it just right...

I didn't even know how much I dislike that Tonex interface till I played with this Tonocracy allegedly 'not ready for primetime' editor.

disclaimer: I paid retail for the software.
 
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I’m going to give this a try this week, because whilst I detest iLok, I’m going to need for other apps too, so why not. I actually want this to succeed, because as much as I like the concept, ToneX isn’t cutting the mustard either. The UI really is pretty damn awful.
 
I bought a looping/DAW app for iPad called Loopy Pro. (it will be released for MacBook soon (and PC too I believe)) It is really awesome and it has a sophisticated mixer UI (a couple different types actually) and it acts as a host for plug ins. I have had great fun loading Tonex as a plugin in the channel strips.
Anyway....long way to my point...it would be awesome if Tonocracy could do that, have a block that hosts simple plugs like the tape echo I have K7D https://www.imaginando.pt/products/k7d-tape-delay
There are lots of simple plugs that would be sweet to be able to load the same way you load captures.
Hell you could load Loopy Pro or load Tonocracy inside of Loopy Pro
 
Enchilada Jones said:
I bought a looping/DAW app for iPad called Loopy Pro. (it will be released for MacBook soon (and PC too I believe)) It is really awesome and it has a sophisticated mixer UI (a couple different types actually) and it acts as a host for plug ins. I have had great fun loading Tonex as a plugin in the channel strips.
Anyway....long way to my point...it would be awesome if Tonocracy could do that, have a block that hosts simple plugs like the tape echo I have K7D https://www.imaginando.pt/products/k7d-tape-delay
There are lots of simple plugs that would be sweet to be able to load the same way you load captures.
Hell you could load Loopy Pro or load Tonocracy inside of Loopy Pro
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that’s a good idea, though I Have no idea how feasible it’d be. You could run Helix Native in the block of Tonocracy and use it for effects.
 
paisleywookiee said:
that’s a good idea, though I Have no idea how feasible it’d be. You could run Helix Native in the block of Tonocracy and use it for effects.
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I keep waiting for Fractal to drop a bomb like that. FX plug in suites...delays....drives....modulations, etc.. drop them in the tracks you want. Bundle them all for discount pricing...And send me a coupon for the idea! Just kidding!!! I don't need no flashmob showing up in my face saying I can't be trusted because I have an opinion and got a discount!
 
Enchilada Jones said:
I keep waiting for Fractal to drop a bomb like that. FX plug in suites...delays....drives....modulations, etc.. drop them in the tracks you want. Bundle them all for discount pricing...And send me a coupon for the idea! Just kidding!!! I don't need no flashmob showing up in my face saying I can't be trusted because I have an opinion and got a discount!
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Fractal Native

Futurama Buy GIF
 
Whizzinby said:
Fractal Native

Futurama Buy GIF
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Orvillain said:
I would immediately uninstall every single amp modeller from my system apart from Helix Native, if I had a Fractal Native to go with it.

Am I starting to sound like a fucking fanboi yet?? Hope so!
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Yeah totally. I’d stop complaining about Fractal not having a Stomp-like modeler, if I could run a plugin/app on my laptop.
 
ohmboy said:
The best advice for Atomic Amps, and Tom, is beware of the 'yes men'.
Obviously, you are aiming to improve the product, and that deserves praise, but you are only doing that based on people who have delivered constructive criticism. Clearly, you are not doing this based on people you've given free NFRs to, who are here in this forum 'fluffing' and 'licking' and literally sounding like they've been paid to be shilling your products.
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Thats close to fighting words…
I said what my affilliation is. Shill means somebody pretending not to have a connection trying to sway folks.

Yes men…hilarity. I spent more time sending folks to the competition while VP at THD Electronics than pitching them but yet im one of the shills because i interject in a topic in a forum i posted prior to this product?

I show you shill…
I have nothing to do with atomic or tonocracy but i dl the demo and did this…

Atma Anur Old Number 7


No i did this with an early beta with a capture of a 2525.
So i actually use this on my actual work project you wanna discount it because my input in creating this thing netted me a license go ahead.

Would you rather have a flood of paid YouTube guys telling you its amazing?

And does this look like a yes man?
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