80% of digital modellers & c buyers are bedroom players according to marketing researches

Mikael Dez said:
Idk if it’s me but lately I sense a sort of attitude towards bedroom players like they’re inferior or something, or their opinion doesn’t hold as much weight regarding quality of gear. I don’t take offense to it, even being a bedroom player (because fuck you lol), but I find it pretty ridiculous.

I don’t see this mentality in fishing circles, or car circles, or anything else. I think the gigging rock star musician has been put on a pedestal (in a lot of cases justifiably so) so much that it’s difficult for some of y’all to grasp that some of us don’t want to gig. I’d way rather jam with my buddies in a garage with zero audience than go play local shitty bar gigs, or deal with the hassle of larger venues. Idk, my 2 cents.
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Lately? It’s been there to some degree or another since the first gear forums showed up. There are plenty of professional musicians who are cool (and by this I mean people whose sole source of income is playing), but there are just enough of the egomaniacs out there that you notice the trend.
 
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I have a suspicion that most real professional guitarists don’t hang around gear forums being condescending toward hobbyists. I guess those who behave that way are more likely wannabe ‘pros’ with a mediocre cover band playing bars and events for little pay.

PS: There’s nothing wrong with being in a mediocre cover band playing bars and events for little pay. But there’s something wrong with hanging around gear forums being condescending toward hobbyists.
 
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Mikael Dez said:
Idk if it’s me but lately I sense a sort of attitude towards bedroom players like they’re inferior or something, or their opinion doesn’t hold as much weight regarding quality of gear. I don’t take offense to it, even being a bedroom player (because fuck you lol), but I find it pretty ridiculous.

I don’t see this mentality in fishing circles, or car circles, or anything else. I think the gigging rock star musician has been put on a pedestal (in a lot of cases justifiably so) so much that it’s difficult for some of y’all to grasp that some of us don’t want to gig. I’d way rather jam with my buddies in a garage with zero audience than go play local shitty bar gigs, or deal with the hassle of larger venues. Idk, my 2 cents.
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And the meaning of “gigging guitarist” usually scales up or down depending on what’s convenient for the argument. Sometimes that only means guys playing arenas, sometimes it’s weekend warriors in cover bands, sometimes it’s ONLY people who play originals. I like to know what someone’s use case is with gear because it does make a difference on how I interpret their input. Like if I’m asking about the ease of on-device editing on something I’m probably more interested in the experience of the guy who does 15-20 minute changeovers on a multi-band bill than a guy who gets to spend and hour mulling around before the jam or has shows up two hours before doors and gets a full sound check.
 
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Mikael Dez said:
Idk if it’s me but lately I sense a sort of attitude towards bedroom players like they’re inferior or something, or their opinion doesn’t hold as much weight regarding quality of gear. I don’t take offense to it, even being a bedroom player (because fuck you lol), but I find it pretty ridiculous.

I don’t see this mentality in fishing circles, or car circles, or anything else. I think the gigging rock star musician has been put on a pedestal (in a lot of cases justifiably so) so much that it’s difficult for some of y’all to grasp that some of us don’t want to gig. I’d way rather jam with my buddies in a garage with zero audience than go play local shitty bar gigs, or deal with the hassle of larger venues. Idk, my 2 cents.
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Oh come on, are you seriously telling us you don't secretly want to play one a thousand more takes of Mustang Sally for a bunch of obnoxiously drunk middle age women?
 
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I'm sure there are pricks that have an attitude toward bedroom players but I don't see this as a common thing, honeslty.
 
Karl Houseknecht said:
Tell me more about this bedroom fishing and bedroom driving…
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I meant like "you don't race on the weekends?" or "how many bass tournaments have you won?"

But yeah a coworker of mine has a whole "cockpit" setup for racing games it's nuts
 
Mikael Dez said:
I meant like "you don't race on the weekends?" or "how many bass tournaments have you won?"

But yeah a coworker of mine has a whole "cockpit" setup for racing games it's nuts
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Well, Max Verstappen choosed a sim racer as a team mate, last week or so, for the Nurburring GT3 4hrs and they won the race.

sim racers 1, real racers 0
 
The notion hald by guitar players that their musical universe is somehow unique and complete never ceases to amaze me.

Frankly, I would have guessed that more than 80% of the buyers of almost any musical insturments or gear - including modelers - are non-gigging ("bedroom") players. My experience since early childhood and common-sense observations have led me to that conclusion.

Consider the kids who begin taking music lessons in elementary school or earlier. Many, if not most, of them have instruments and associated gear that their parents purchased for them. Over time, it's become less common - and yuugely more expensive - for parents to buy nice pianos, hence the proliferation of cheap-to-modestly-priced electronic keyboards. When I first took music lessons many years ago, widespread acceptance of electric guitar as a "legit" instrument had not yet occurred, and modelers didn't exist. Hell, fuzztones didn't exist. As time went on, all that changed, and it was then not uncommon for parents to buy an electric guitar and a small amp for their child. I'd guess that a substantial portion of the market for electric guitars and associated gear is parents buying stuff for their kids. Extrapolate that to high school kids playing in bands, including school bands and garage bands (do kids still do that?), with some of them gradually coming by their own money and spending some portion of it on gear, and you're adding another substantial portion of the market. Finally, you have fully grown men buying gear for their own purposes, in many cases for bragging rights, in some cases to actually play. Compared to those three submarkets, my money says the total market share due to working musicians is less than the implied 20%. That includes any gear, not just modelers.
 
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Oh come on, are you seriously telling us you don't secretly want to play one a thousand mores take of Mustang Sally for a bunch of obnoxiously drunk middle age women?
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It's really not like that everywhere or for everybody. If that kind of gig were my only option, I would never have been a working musician.
 
Based on a number of success stories from social media and youtube, being a "bedroom" player has lost some of the stigma associated with the term, imo. If you're motivated you can make a nice career, assuming you find a niche to capitalize on. So I don't see the % of live musicians playing venues going up anytime soon, unless something dramatically changes.
 
An unnecessary clarification

I quote Lee Anderton from the video

So the this is right the market research from neural is that 80% of customers who buy this type [they have a fender TMP and an FRFR cab] of product are just playing at home.

So they've bought a pro kind of modeling piece of kit to play at home because it's fine.
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@jay mitchell "home player" is not the opposite of working musician because there are non working musicians that are not home players.
 
HotRats said:
@jay mitchell "home player" is not the opposite of working musician because there are non working musicians that are not home players.
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TL/DR: we are pretty much all "home players" as long as we practice on a regular basis. Some of us play in other environments as well.

You're trying to make an obvious meaning far too specific. FYI, the phrase in the subject line is "bedroom player," which carries the implication that that's the only kind of place an individual plays. The word "bedroom" could be replaced by "living room," "garage," or "man cave" with no change in meaning. OTOH, the phrase I used - "gigging musician" - does not mean only people whose sole income is from music performance. I've known and worked with quite a few working musicians who made substantial portions of their income from nonmusical activities. I've been in that group myself at times. We were nonetheless working musicians. My definition of "working musician" means that you derive at least some of your income from musical activity, including performing live, recording, writing, arranging, and/or producing.

FYI, the distinction carries no stigma re:skill level. I've known some killer players who only ever play at home.
 
The only interest I’d ever have in something like Suno would be for it to spit out great drum midi. I don’t want it to polish anything. I don’t want more ideas. I don’t want anything played. JUST the drums.
 
paisleywookiee said:
The only interest I’d ever have in something like Suno would be for it to spit out great drum midi. I don’t want it to polish anything. I don’t want more ideas. I don’t want anything played. JUST the drums.
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If superior4 adds something like that they’ll get my money on day one. Not generic stuff (I can do that), but solid options with a drummers brain and flair would be epic
 
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