80% of digital modellers & c buyers are bedroom players according to marketing researches

ian_dissonance said:
People are doing that and self-publishing. It’s insane. Having an idea for art is not that same thing and making art. Especially when you’re feeding that idea to something that leeches of actual human-made art.
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It is getting out of hand. I'm guilty of using ai thumbnail art when I post a song to soundcloud, but I think it's time to move on from all that and replace them.
 
Fwiw, I think it's sort fine to use AI with "decency". This includes some things, such as being honest to yourself (which requires a bit of selfawareness in the first place), such as being honest to whomever you present your AI-aquired "things" (regardless whether it's art, knowledge or whatever), such as not going all in just because you can, etc.

In case of Suno, if it gives you ideas, that's fine in my book. If it helps you with one or the other part (which is now easily possible as Suno Studio has just been released), that's sort of fine, too. But IMO that's almost where it ends already, in case you want to save a bit of "musical dignity".

Personally, I'm sometimes using Chat GPT, Perplexity or Gemini instead of Google, simply because it's often more exact. For instance, I needed to patch my SUP and was looking for the right glue. Google had no proper answers (at least nothing that could be found quickly) but Chat GPT had, simply because it would do a combined search based on various informations (size of damage, brand of SUP).
So that's just fine because CGPT was actually *helping* me to get something done myself.
If I however would ask it to create some song lyrics for me (something lots of folks are doing by now already), that'd not exactly help me in becoming a better songwriter. Asking for, say, a clever rhyme however is fine in my book - as it's helping and possibly even inspiring.

And yes, there's a fine line between using and abusing things. Or lots of fine lines.
 
sashimi said:
I’m not saying I wouldn’t be curious to hear what AI can do with a riff or chord progression I wrote, but there’s no way I am feeding AI my musical ideas.
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Right, Over the years I have some songwriting credits in commercially distributed records and I wonder if some of those songs were use to train these models? That I’m now using.

I’m an old fart with no desire to travel and perform again in public, it is a different situation for me to upload files that have been on my hard drive forever. But I understand the validity of questioning the morality and disruptive nature of AI in the arts.
 
FuzzyAce said:
It is getting out of hand. I'm guilty of using ai thumbnail art when I post a song to soundcloud, but I think it's time to move on from all that and replace them.
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Ok, a man of my word... I deleted all the AI thumbnails. :LOL:
clean GIF
 
Sascha Franck said:
Fwiw, I think it's sort fine to use AI with "decency". This includes some things, such as being honest to yourself (which requires a bit of selfawareness in the first place), such as being honest to whomever you present your AI-aquired "things" (regardless whether it's art, knowledge or whatever), such as not going all in just because you can, etc.

In case of Suno, if it gives you ideas, that's fine in my book. If it helps you with one or the other part (which is now easily possible as Suno Studio has just been released), that's sort of fine, too. But IMO that's almost where it ends already, in case you want to save a bit of "musical dignity".

Personally, I'm sometimes using Chat GPT, Perplexity or Gemini instead of Google, simply because it's often more exact. For instance, I needed to patch my SUP and was looking for the right glue. Google had no proper answers (at least nothing that could be found quickly) but Chat GPT had, simply because it would do a combined search based on various informations (size of damage, brand of SUP).
So that's just fine because CGPT was actually *helping* me to get something done myself.
If I however would ask it to create some song lyrics for me (something lots of folks are doing by now already), that'd not exactly help me in becoming a better songwriter. Asking for, say, a clever rhyme however is fine in my book - as it's helping and possibly even inspiring.

And yes, there's a fine line between using and abusing things. Or lots of fine lines.
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Beware that AI often gives wrong but well written answers.

It happens all the time.
 
HotRats said:
Lee Anderton's say that in this video towards the end, citing Neural marketing research data.



What you think about it?

I mean, 80% is A LOT. It's like bedroom players are guiding the market.
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no shit. how many people do you see playing out? do you think all those companies could survive with just the pros? no chance.

hobby players keep this market alive.
 
luckymethod said:
no shit. how many people do you see playing out? do you think all those companies could survive with just the pros? no chance.

hobby players keep this market alive.
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80% is very high number that doesn't match with my experience/perception and that's what "surprised" me.
I'm aware that my personal experience has no value but this "real" (as far as we can trust Lee words) number an interesting point for a chat.

And I mean, it doesnt' have to be 80% to keep the market alive, 50% would be enough.

The thing about this number is that if 80% of players use complex and powerful devices like a modeler at home, manifacturers will be pushed to develop evolve them to accomodate home players first, which is a bit wired to me.
 
HotRats said:
80% is very high number that doesn't match with my experience/perception and that's what "surprised" me.
I'm aware that my personal experience has no value but this "real" (as far as we can trust Lee words) number an interesting point for a chat.

And I mean, it doesnt' have to be 80% to keep the market alive, 50% would be enough.

The thing about this number is that if 80% of players use complex and powerful devices like a modeler at home, manifacturers will be pushed to develop evolve them to accomodate home players first, which is a bit wired to me.
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If the helix stadium isn't built for the home player I do not know what is.
 
So I was working at a large fair for the last week. On the free stage there were probably a good dozen different bands at various times throughout the week. These were regional touring groups for the most part. I observed exactly 3 of those bands using real guitar amps. The rest were all modelers. So much for bedroom players.

Of the groups that used modelers, the guitar tone was good. Even for a venue like this. Pretty large band shell. Seating for 500 under cover, but slightly more than that outside. Total around 1000 with bystanders and passers by. Good PA. Half decent sound guy.

Of the 3 bands using real amps, I noted:
  • Marshall plexi full stack - I bet it sounded good to him. In line with him in the audience it was shrill and beaming directly in my face (about a 4 foot stage height). Off axis it was blanketed. In the PA it was non-existent.
  • Deluxe Reverb normal channel with pedals - Blanketed mess on most of his tones. All low end, no highs. Clearly user error. Also not in the PA.
  • Deluxe Reverb vibrato channel with pedals - Country act. Kinda mid honky with not a lot of top end. Not the best tone. Kind of in the PA but not to any great extent.
So the pattern I observed here is that even on a larger stage like this, anyone using amps didn't get put in the mix. Could be the sound guy for sure, but the mix was FAR better when modelers were being used. Outside of the bedroom.
 
Chocol8 said:
Pretty much every electric guitar and guitar device since the 60's has been built to sell mostly to home players. Explain why Stadium would be different?
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That wasn’t the claim. The claim was that given its design it’s meant for home players. And knowing what’s coming regarding showcase and the expandable I/O that claim doesn’t make any sense. Of course MOST gear ends up in a jam room or basement, but that doesn’t mean it’s “made for home players”.
 
ian_dissonance said:
That wasn’t the claim. The claim was that given its design it’s meant for home players. And knowing what’s coming regarding showcase and the expandable I/O that claim doesn’t make any sense. Of course MOST gear ends up in a jam room or basement, but that doesn’t mean it’s “made for home players”.
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The design is meant for their customer base, a portion of which will use it on stage and a larger portion of which will not. I would be rather shocked if Line 6 didn't have a pretty good idea of who the target market is.

Personally, I look at the form factor of the first two models and I am not thinking "targeted to touring pros" by any means. If it was a rack unit...maybe, but why do you think rack sales are so much lower?
 
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