80% of digital modellers & c buyers are bedroom players according to marketing researches

Lysander said:
The number of touring bands i see running floor gear these days might beg to differ.
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I’ve been to a bunch of shows in the last month from regional touring acts to Gojira. Way more floor modelers (even if they’re racked and controlled another way) and modeler/amp rigs than rack modelers or straight amp rigs. One pretty long-standing touring band was using a laptop with a scarlet with some JST plugin for everything. IMO rack stuff is way more at home in the home studio because it’s a PITA to move, PITA to patch, PITA to swap. IMO “rack is for the pros” is an antiquated idea with no real basis in modern reality.
 
Songs from Suno have an AI signature. That stink is unmistakable once you’ve listened to a few of those generated tracks. But, unfortunately, the general audience doesn’t care.
What’s really left are live shows. I know that’s what been said with the advent of recorded music in vinyl, tapes, cds, mp3s and streaming. But it’s true, each stage of technological progress has devalued the art form.
The only saving grace is that no one is going to pay to watch a bunch of robots perform live.
 
ian_dissonance said:
I’ve been to a bunch of shows in the last month from regional touring acts to Gojira. Way more floor modelers (even if they’re racked and controlled another way) and modeler/amp rigs than rack modelers or straight amp rigs. One pretty long-standing touring band was using a laptop with a scarlet with some JST plugin for everything. IMO rack stuff is way more at home in the home studio because it’s a PITA to move, PITA to patch, PITA to swap. IMO “rack is for the pros” is an antiquated idea with no real basis in modern reality.
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I'm seeing a lot of touring bands the last few years, especially younger guitarists, with a clean stage and midi automation from a DAW running their modeler preset and effect switching. But yeah, rack modelers are for the studio these days.
 
toneseeker911 said:
no one is going to pay to watch a bunch of robots perform live.
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Idk if it’s me but lately I sense a sort of attitude towards bedroom players like they’re inferior or something, or their opinion doesn’t hold as much weight regarding quality of gear. I don’t take offense to it, even being a bedroom player (because fuck you lol), but I find it pretty ridiculous.

I don’t see this mentality in fishing circles, or car circles, or anything else. I think the gigging rock star musician has been put on a pedestal (in a lot of cases justifiably so) so much that it’s difficult for some of y’all to grasp that some of us don’t want to gig. I’d way rather jam with my buddies in a garage with zero audience than go play local shitty bar gigs, or deal with the hassle of larger venues. Idk, my 2 cents.
 
Mikael Dez said:
Idk if it’s me but lately I sense a sort of attitude towards bedroom players like they’re inferior or something, or their opinion doesn’t hold as much weight regarding quality of gear. I don’t take offense to it, even being a bedroom player (because fuck you lol), but I find it pretty ridiculous.

I don’t see this mentality in fishing circles, or car circles, or anything else. I think the gigging rock star musician has been put on a pedestal (in a lot of cases justifiably so) so much that it’s difficult for some of y’all to grasp that some of us don’t want to gig. I’d way rather jam with my buddies in a garage with zero audience than go play local shitty bar gigs, or deal with the hassle of larger venues. Idk, my 2 cents.
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Lately? It’s been there to some degree or another since the first gear forums showed up. There are plenty of professional musicians who are cool (and by this I mean people whose sole source of income is playing), but there are just enough of the egomaniacs out there that you notice the trend.
 
I have a suspicion that most real professional guitarists don’t hang around gear forums being condescending toward hobbyists. I guess those who behave that way are more likely wannabe ‘pros’ with a mediocre cover band playing bars and events for little pay.

PS: There’s nothing wrong with being in a mediocre cover band playing bars and events for little pay. But there’s something wrong with hanging around gear forums being condescending toward hobbyists.
 
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Mikael Dez said:
Idk if it’s me but lately I sense a sort of attitude towards bedroom players like they’re inferior or something, or their opinion doesn’t hold as much weight regarding quality of gear. I don’t take offense to it, even being a bedroom player (because fuck you lol), but I find it pretty ridiculous.

I don’t see this mentality in fishing circles, or car circles, or anything else. I think the gigging rock star musician has been put on a pedestal (in a lot of cases justifiably so) so much that it’s difficult for some of y’all to grasp that some of us don’t want to gig. I’d way rather jam with my buddies in a garage with zero audience than go play local shitty bar gigs, or deal with the hassle of larger venues. Idk, my 2 cents.
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And the meaning of “gigging guitarist” usually scales up or down depending on what’s convenient for the argument. Sometimes that only means guys playing arenas, sometimes it’s weekend warriors in cover bands, sometimes it’s ONLY people who play originals. I like to know what someone’s use case is with gear because it does make a difference on how I interpret their input. Like if I’m asking about the ease of on-device editing on something I’m probably more interested in the experience of the guy who does 15-20 minute changeovers on a multi-band bill than a guy who gets to spend and hour mulling around before the jam or has shows up two hours before doors and gets a full sound check.
 
Mikael Dez said:
Idk if it’s me but lately I sense a sort of attitude towards bedroom players like they’re inferior or something, or their opinion doesn’t hold as much weight regarding quality of gear. I don’t take offense to it, even being a bedroom player (because fuck you lol), but I find it pretty ridiculous.

I don’t see this mentality in fishing circles, or car circles, or anything else. I think the gigging rock star musician has been put on a pedestal (in a lot of cases justifiably so) so much that it’s difficult for some of y’all to grasp that some of us don’t want to gig. I’d way rather jam with my buddies in a garage with zero audience than go play local shitty bar gigs, or deal with the hassle of larger venues. Idk, my 2 cents.
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Oh come on, are you seriously telling us you don't secretly want to play one a thousand more takes of Mustang Sally for a bunch of obnoxiously drunk middle age women?
 
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I'm sure there are pricks that have an attitude toward bedroom players but I don't see this as a common thing, honeslty.
 
Mikael Dez said:
I meant like "you don't race on the weekends?" or "how many bass tournaments have you won?"

But yeah a coworker of mine has a whole "cockpit" setup for racing games it's nuts
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Well, Max Verstappen choosed a sim racer as a team mate, last week or so, for the Nurburring GT3 4hrs and they won the race.

sim racers 1, real racers 0
 
The notion hald by guitar players that their musical universe is somehow unique and complete never ceases to amaze me.

Frankly, I would have guessed that more than 80% of the buyers of almost any musical insturments or gear - including modelers - are non-gigging ("bedroom") players. My experience since early childhood and common-sense observations have led me to that conclusion.

Consider the kids who begin taking music lessons in elementary school or earlier. Many, if not most, of them have instruments and associated gear that their parents purchased for them. Over time, it's become less common - and yuugely more expensive - for parents to buy nice pianos, hence the proliferation of cheap-to-modestly-priced electronic keyboards. When I first took music lessons many years ago, widespread acceptance of electric guitar as a "legit" instrument had not yet occurred, and modelers didn't exist. Hell, fuzztones didn't exist. As time went on, all that changed, and it was then not uncommon for parents to buy an electric guitar and a small amp for their child. I'd guess that a substantial portion of the market for electric guitars and associated gear is parents buying stuff for their kids. Extrapolate that to high school kids playing in bands, including school bands and garage bands (do kids still do that?), with some of them gradually coming by their own money and spending some portion of it on gear, and you're adding another substantial portion of the market. Finally, you have fully grown men buying gear for their own purposes, in many cases for bragging rights, in some cases to actually play. Compared to those three submarkets, my money says the total market share due to working musicians is less than the implied 20%. That includes any gear, not just modelers.
 
Chocol8 said:
Oh come on, are you seriously telling us you don't secretly want to play one a thousand mores take of Mustang Sally for a bunch of obnoxiously drunk middle age women?
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It's really not like that everywhere or for everybody. If that kind of gig were my only option, I would never have been a working musician.
 
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