80% of digital modellers & c buyers are bedroom players according to marketing researches

luckymethod said:
no shit. how many people do you see playing out? do you think all those companies could survive with just the pros? no chance.

hobby players keep this market alive.
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80% is very high number that doesn't match with my experience/perception and that's what "surprised" me.
I'm aware that my personal experience has no value but this "real" (as far as we can trust Lee words) number an interesting point for a chat.

And I mean, it doesnt' have to be 80% to keep the market alive, 50% would be enough.

The thing about this number is that if 80% of players use complex and powerful devices like a modeler at home, manifacturers will be pushed to develop evolve them to accomodate home players first, which is a bit wired to me.
 
HotRats said:
80% is very high number that doesn't match with my experience/perception and that's what "surprised" me.
I'm aware that my personal experience has no value but this "real" (as far as we can trust Lee words) number an interesting point for a chat.

And I mean, it doesnt' have to be 80% to keep the market alive, 50% would be enough.

The thing about this number is that if 80% of players use complex and powerful devices like a modeler at home, manifacturers will be pushed to develop evolve them to accomodate home players first, which is a bit wired to me.
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If the helix stadium isn't built for the home player I do not know what is.
 
luckymethod said:
If the helix stadium isn't built for the home player I do not know what is.
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I'm not sure how it's any more or less built for the home player than any other digital unit?

If anything, it seems more made for live musicians with Showcase.

Does ease of use = home player these days 😂😂
 
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So I was working at a large fair for the last week. On the free stage there were probably a good dozen different bands at various times throughout the week. These were regional touring groups for the most part. I observed exactly 3 of those bands using real guitar amps. The rest were all modelers. So much for bedroom players.

Of the groups that used modelers, the guitar tone was good. Even for a venue like this. Pretty large band shell. Seating for 500 under cover, but slightly more than that outside. Total around 1000 with bystanders and passers by. Good PA. Half decent sound guy.

Of the 3 bands using real amps, I noted:
  • Marshall plexi full stack - I bet it sounded good to him. In line with him in the audience it was shrill and beaming directly in my face (about a 4 foot stage height). Off axis it was blanketed. In the PA it was non-existent.
  • Deluxe Reverb normal channel with pedals - Blanketed mess on most of his tones. All low end, no highs. Clearly user error. Also not in the PA.
  • Deluxe Reverb vibrato channel with pedals - Country act. Kinda mid honky with not a lot of top end. Not the best tone. Kind of in the PA but not to any great extent.
So the pattern I observed here is that even on a larger stage like this, anyone using amps didn't get put in the mix. Could be the sound guy for sure, but the mix was FAR better when modelers were being used. Outside of the bedroom.
 
Chocol8 said:
Pretty much every electric guitar and guitar device since the 60's has been built to sell mostly to home players. Explain why Stadium would be different?
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That wasn’t the claim. The claim was that given its design it’s meant for home players. And knowing what’s coming regarding showcase and the expandable I/O that claim doesn’t make any sense. Of course MOST gear ends up in a jam room or basement, but that doesn’t mean it’s “made for home players”.
 
ian_dissonance said:
That wasn’t the claim. The claim was that given its design it’s meant for home players. And knowing what’s coming regarding showcase and the expandable I/O that claim doesn’t make any sense. Of course MOST gear ends up in a jam room or basement, but that doesn’t mean it’s “made for home players”.
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The design is meant for their customer base, a portion of which will use it on stage and a larger portion of which will not. I would be rather shocked if Line 6 didn't have a pretty good idea of who the target market is.

Personally, I look at the form factor of the first two models and I am not thinking "targeted to touring pros" by any means. If it was a rack unit...maybe, but why do you think rack sales are so much lower?
 
Lysander said:
The number of touring bands i see running floor gear these days might beg to differ.
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I’ve been to a bunch of shows in the last month from regional touring acts to Gojira. Way more floor modelers (even if they’re racked and controlled another way) and modeler/amp rigs than rack modelers or straight amp rigs. One pretty long-standing touring band was using a laptop with a scarlet with some JST plugin for everything. IMO rack stuff is way more at home in the home studio because it’s a PITA to move, PITA to patch, PITA to swap. IMO “rack is for the pros” is an antiquated idea with no real basis in modern reality.
 
Songs from Suno have an AI signature. That stink is unmistakable once you’ve listened to a few of those generated tracks. But, unfortunately, the general audience doesn’t care.
What’s really left are live shows. I know that’s what been said with the advent of recorded music in vinyl, tapes, cds, mp3s and streaming. But it’s true, each stage of technological progress has devalued the art form.
The only saving grace is that no one is going to pay to watch a bunch of robots perform live.
 
ian_dissonance said:
I’ve been to a bunch of shows in the last month from regional touring acts to Gojira. Way more floor modelers (even if they’re racked and controlled another way) and modeler/amp rigs than rack modelers or straight amp rigs. One pretty long-standing touring band was using a laptop with a scarlet with some JST plugin for everything. IMO rack stuff is way more at home in the home studio because it’s a PITA to move, PITA to patch, PITA to swap. IMO “rack is for the pros” is an antiquated idea with no real basis in modern reality.
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I'm seeing a lot of touring bands the last few years, especially younger guitarists, with a clean stage and midi automation from a DAW running their modeler preset and effect switching. But yeah, rack modelers are for the studio these days.
 
Aren’t 80% of all guitar gear buyers bedroom players? I don’t think live or studio players have ever supported the market, I’m pretty sure it’s always been hobbyists.
 
Idk if it’s me but lately I sense a sort of attitude towards bedroom players like they’re inferior or something, or their opinion doesn’t hold as much weight regarding quality of gear. I don’t take offense to it, even being a bedroom player (because fuck you lol), but I find it pretty ridiculous.

I don’t see this mentality in fishing circles, or car circles, or anything else. I think the gigging rock star musician has been put on a pedestal (in a lot of cases justifiably so) so much that it’s difficult for some of y’all to grasp that some of us don’t want to gig. I’d way rather jam with my buddies in a garage with zero audience than go play local shitty bar gigs, or deal with the hassle of larger venues. Idk, my 2 cents.
 
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