4x12

[Bob Zaod]

I put a combination of V30's and G12T75's in a generic plywood cab recently and its fantastic. I sold my Marshall and Mesa cabs a few years ago before I moved x country. This thing hangs with those easily. Crushing tone.

 

[HotRats]

If you get one you will end up with more 4X12's!

You're right and you did the right thing.

Now that in my new house I've got space for my stuff I might end up buying too much cabs.

 

[Iron1]

I picked up a Mesa OS 412 about a month ago for a great price. My JCA100HDM hit 128db with ease... then I questioned how in the world I could stand in front of two 412s and a JCM900 cranked to 9 for hours on end in my 20s... lol. Such an awesome experience and great tone, but might be a bit much for a home studio set up. Maybe...

 

[James Freeman]

Anyone likes 2x12 instead of 4x12 and accepts the sound compromise of the 2x12?
2x12 fits in a sedan but to mobilize a 4x12 I need a truck.

 

[Alex Kenivel]

I used a 4x12 with G12T-75s with a 100w head and carted them around in my Scion tC. I eventually added a 2x12 with V30s to the mix. It still all fit into the back with seats folded down, pedalboard and guitar.

I loathed moving that stuff around and probably won't go back to a 4x12, maybe a 2x12..

 

[HotRats]

Anyone likes 2x12 instead of 4x12 and accepts the sound compromise of the 2x12?
2x12 fits in a sedan but to mobilize a 4x12 you I a truck.

No I don't. I've gigged with 2x12 and never accepted the comprise. I endured the discomfort.

 

[la szum]

Where are people playing gigs with 4x12s anymore?? You get told to turn down a Princeton around here.

 

[James Freeman]

No I don't. I've gigged with 2x12 and never accepted the comprise. I endured the discomfort.

My dilemma is a 4x12 is never going to leave the house with the transportation I have and a good 2x12 (Engl E212VHB) is more versatile and manageable for my specific needs.
The Engl 2x12 is front loaded and has a Mono/L/R switch, so I can easily swap speakers and switch between the two independently, it has removable metal grille, plus it has superb build quality and materials, very tempted.

 

[HotRats]

My dilemma is a 4x12 is never going to leave the house with the transportation I have and a good 2x12 (Engl E212VHB) is more versatile and manageable for my specific needs.
The Engl 2x12 is front loaded and has a Mono/L/R switch, so I can easily swap speakers and switch between the two independently, it has removable metal grille, plus it has superb build quality and materials, very tempted.

Truth is you can live with with a good 2x12 (and I bet the ENGL sounds great) but is not the same. Maybe an oversized 2x12, like the mesa ones will do but they are so big and heavy I'd use a 4x12.
I've sold my 4x12 engl because I was tired of loading the cab in my car, was heavy as hell. 49kg IIRC, and was difficult to put that monster in and out.
Now I have a different car with easier access and that makes a big difference, imho. Once the cab is on the ground on its wheels you're ok,

Therefore....my suggestion is to buy a 4x12 and a new car

 

[DrewJD82]

I used a 4x12 with G12T-75s with a 100w head and carted them around in my Scion tC. I eventually added a 2x12 with V30s to the mix. It still all fit into the back with seats folded down, pedalboard and guitar.

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I loathed moving that stuff around and probably won't go back to a 4x12, maybe a 2x12..

Is that an old Carvin 4x12, or is that the red Peavey badge in the center? I used to have an old Carvin cab with a metal grille that looked just like that. Thing was f*ckin’ loud in comparison to the other 4x12 I had at the time, a Legacy 4x12 with Greenbacks.

 

[DrewJD82]

Anyone likes 2x12 instead of 4x12 and accepts the sound compromise of the 2x12?
2x12 fits in a sedan but to mobilize a 4x12 you I a truck.

Yeah, I’m using two 2x12’s right now. The old Mesa 2x12 with Black Shadows in it can wipe the floor with most 4x12’s. My buddy has some 2x12 cab that was made in Miami he put some EV12L’s into and that’s just on another level of ‘holy sh*t’. It’s a little deeper than a standard 2x12 and it’s just silly loud. I couldn’t imagine a 4x12 with EV12L’s in it.

I think the biggest thing I noticed is that the cab construction doesn’t seem to have as profound of an effect on a 2x12 as it does a 4x12. I’ve swapped speakers around in mine and they’re both different sized cabs, but there wasn’t a big noticeable change aside from the differences between a closed/open back you’d expect to hear.

 

[eggpl@nt]

I'm in the process of adding another 4x12 and 2x12 to my collection. I'm spec'ing a couple custom cabs with Jeff Swanson, here in Greater Boston. In general, I'm tearing up my current collection and speaker deployment and rearranging to try new things.

My (work in progress) spreadsheet for those interested.

Cab	Ω	Speaker 1	Speaker 2	Speaker 3	Speaker 4
Mesa Widebody 1x12	8	Mesa V30	-	-	-
Mesa Widebody 1x12	8	Mesa C90	-	-	-
Vboutique Vumble 2x12	8	AlNiCo Gold	AlNiCo Gold	-	-
Canyon 2x12	8	Swamp Thang	CV75	-	-
Swanson 2x12	8	V30	H75	-	-
Canyon 4x12	8	Greyhound	Greyhound	Greyhound	Greyhound
Swanson 4x12	8	V30	M25	V30	M25
Mesa Traditional 4x12	8	Mesa V30	Mesa V30	Mesa V30	Mesa V30

 

[DrewJD82]

I'm in the process of adding another 4x12 and 2x12 to my collection. I'm spec'ing a couple custom cabs with Jeff Swanson, here in Greater Boston. In general, I'm tearing up my current collection and speaker deployment and rearranging to try new things.

My (work in progress) spreadsheet for those interested.

Cab	Ω	Speaker 1	Speaker 2	Speaker 3	Speaker 4
Mesa Widebody 1x12	8	Mesa V30	-	-	-
Mesa Widebody 1x12	8	Mesa C90	-	-	-
Vboutique Vumble 2x12	8	AlNiCo Gold	AlNiCo Gold	-	-
Canyon 2x12	8	Swamp Thang	CV75	-	-
Swanson 2x12	8	V30	H75	-	-
Canyon 4x12	8	Greyhound	Greyhound	Greyhound	Greyhound
Swanson 4x12	8	V30	M25	V30	M25
Mesa Traditional 4x12	8	Mesa V30	Mesa V30	Mesa V30	Mesa V30

Always happy to see another New Englander around! I’m in Florida now, but grew up in Maine, lived in NH and Mass, spent 5 years in South Shore Mass, Rockland/Hull/Weymouth area.

 

[HotRats]

I'm in the process of adding another 4x12 and 2x12 to my collection. I'm spec'ing a couple custom cabs with Jeff Swanson, here in Greater Boston. In general, I'm tearing up my current collection and speaker deployment and rearranging to try new things.

My (work in progress) spreadsheet for those interested.

Cab	Ω	Speaker 1	Speaker 2	Speaker 3	Speaker 4
Mesa Widebody 1x12	8	Mesa V30	-	-	-
Mesa Widebody 1x12	8	Mesa C90	-	-	-
Vboutique Vumble 2x12	8	AlNiCo Gold	AlNiCo Gold	-	-
Canyon 2x12	8	Swamp Thang	CV75	-	-
Swanson 2x12	8	V30	H75	-	-
Canyon 4x12	8	Greyhound	Greyhound	Greyhound	Greyhound
Swanson 4x12	8	V30	M25	V30	M25
Mesa Traditional 4x12	8	Mesa V30	Mesa V30	Mesa V30	Mesa V30

Nice collection!

 

[Sleezy E]

I put a combination of V30's and G12T75's in a generic plywood cab recently and its fantastic. I sold my Marshall and Mesa cabs a few years ago before I moved x country. This thing hangs with those easily. Crushing tone.

I built a 4x12 cab many moons ago with the same combo, sounds amazballz

 

[HotRats]

That's really cool @Sleezy E

 

[TimOwens316]

Due to having a bad back I switched to two 112 cabs and I've been happy with the results, I was using one or two 412 cabs before that. In my last classic rock band the other guitarist used a 412 cab and my two 112 cabs easily kept up with him.

 

[JiveTurkey]

4x12s were great in the original metal band days. But a pair of 112s can rip your face off too

 

[HotRats]

I don't know. There's always somenthing missing with smaller cabs.

 

[HotRats]

I have to admit that this rig was face ripping even if the 2x12 was a cheap Harley Benton with V30s.
The head was an hand made, turret board, bla, bla, bla JTM45 clone.