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[PLX]

Except for all those times when science had to be "revised."

 

[bucephalus]

Too Dumb For This Forum™

Clearly I am.

 

[JiveTurkey]

Clearly I am.

 

[Mikael Dez]

 

[Sascha Franck]

1⁷ | 1⁷ | 1⁷ | 1⁷ |
4⁷ | 4⁷ | 1⁷ | 1⁷ |
5⁷ | 4⁷ | 1⁷ | 5⁷ |

According to the logic you (<-!) want to apply to "We Are Family", this is wrong.

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

Nobody answered my question seriously yet.

I’d play Dm Am Gm Bb/C or C11, are we doing harmony 101?
The bigger question is would put lipstick on that pick in the shade if f major? Not even with a hand tied behind my back.

But you say what function is yet you keep blabbering about using a F major parent scale over a Dm progression. Where do the colors come from.
Mosdef not doing any ebb and flow, home and away lines.
That thinking is how my students that just got into a band deal with it.

Ain’t got FA to do with making music.

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

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Which is Ed

 

[Sascha Franck]

My way for the verse would be 5 2-⁷ 1⁹ in D.

So, let's apply this to a Blues in A.

According to your "system", A7 clearly isn't the I chord in A but V of D. Just as in "We Are Family", right? Otherwise, feel free to explain why it all of a sudden becomes a I chord in a blues whereas it's a V chord in "WAF".
Obviously, the same goes for the D7. It's the V chord of G major, not a IV chord.
Only the good old E7 will meet all the "we're in the key of A" criteria.

Resume: Instead of being a more or less slight deviation from any chord progression using I, IV and V chords (the deviation being that they're all coming along as dom 7 chords), we do now have 3 keys to deal with.

Seriously, this is just taken from your "WAF" analysis.

 

[Mikael Dez]

Which is Ed

You both are on the left, the rest of us on the right lol

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

You both are on the left, the rest of us on the right lol

I can live with that

 

[Sascha Franck]

And fwiw, by technical means (as in exploring scales which could be used), the modal approach to a blues progression is absolutely valid. And once you treat each chord as mixolydian (which works just fine, especially in case you feel like adding a little country-ish or southern-rock-ish flavour), you may as well think about the parent major scales - which obviously would be D (for A7), G (for D7) and A (for E7).
But, while being of quite some technical value, no sane person would base any blues analysis on those chords being all from different keys (even if their parent major scales are).

And well, you (@HomespunEffects) are not even doing it yourself. So, why do you thing "WAF" needs a different treatment? Don't you think the tonal center is A?

 

[HomespunEffects]

According to the logic you (<-!) want to apply to "We Are Family", this is wrong.

False

 

[Sascha Franck]

False

No. I am strictly following your approach. The only way you could get away with it would be saying that "WAF" has another tonal (aka "tonical") center than A.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Ok, @HomespunEffects, listen to the verse:


What's the tonal center (aka tonic) here? Anything else but Eb?

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

So, let's apply this to a Blues in A.

According to your "system", A7 clearly isn't the I chord in A but V of D. Just as in "We Are Family", right? Otherwise, feel free to explain why it all of a sudden becomes a I chord in a blues whereas it's a V chord in "WAF".
Obviously, the same goes for the D7. It's the V chord of G major, not a IV chord.
Only the good old E7 will meet all the "we're in the key of A" criteria.

Resume: Instead of being a more or less slight deviation from any chord progression using I, IV and V chords (the deviation being that they're all coming along as dom 7 chords), we do now have 3 keys to deal with.

Seriously, this is just taken from your "WAF" analysis.

I think I pointed out the same a few pages ago.
I mean fuck me it’s like waiting for the light bulb to come on that the I7 of a Blues becomes the Vof IV in bar 4.
Yet fuck all changed.

Same shit that when there’s Bbmaj7 in that Blues in A it just stands in for E7.

 

[Sascha Franck]

I think I pointed out the same a few pages ago.

Yeah, I know.

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

Ok, @HomespunEffects, listen to the verse:


What's the tonal center (aka tonic) here? Anything else but Eb?

Minor or major?

 

[HomespunEffects]

No. I am strictly following your approach. The only way you could get away with it would be saying that "WAF" has another tonal (aka "tonical") center than A.

You are no longer welcome to post in this thread until you answer my question.

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

You are no longer welcome to post in this thread until you answer my question.

I’d bet money even in your shorthand he’d play the shit out of it resolving to the right home sound.
Or even without cause guess what making it through a diatonic progression is akin to juggling one ball.

 

[Sascha Franck]

You are no longer welcome to post in this thread until you answer my question.

Why would you need an answer when it's so obvious?

F major, play a 6- 3- 2- 4/5” what would you do?

I already answered that one. I'd stare at you. And I actually really would, because that is just not how anyone in this biz would ever write it down.
Sure, as you've explained in this thread, all you do is exchanging roman numbers in favour of latin ones. So, why would I have to do this here? I don't need to solve a beginners quiz in translating latin to roman numbers.