What Do You Think About "Shredding"?

[metropolis_4]

And acoustic shred with musicality anyone?

Playing this style seriously sorts out the theory and makes you dump all the cliches ( possibly in favour of new ones) but seriously good for your playing because there’s nothing to hide behind.

I could listen to that all day.

The first thing that came to my mind was the Al Di Meola and Paco De Lucia stuff.

It’s funny, there are some rock/metal guys who seem to think rock/metal invented shredding

 

[Shredder777]

I will always rate a well-crafted solo way above one that's just a flurry of notes. But I can also LOVE a fast solo, that incorporates unique musical ideas- diminished runs, harmonic minor, voice leading, etc.- because even though it may be getting into shred territory, I can still hear that there's much more to what's going on than just playing at a blistering speed.

But I also "get" that there's a time and a place for anything the player has to offer a solo. If that solo needs an ending that a blazing, ascending run up to a high D bent 1 full step to an E, played at 800 notes per minute, to sort of punctuate the whole thing, then hell yeah! In those kinds of solos, I feel it fits, musically, and yes, it's also impressive.

I find nothing wrong with being impressed by a guy who can do that, just as I'm impressed with how some people can write a piece of music that takes me on a journey, and raises the hair on my arms, and sounds absolutely spectacular through a killer system, because that person had also learned how to record it well.

But I will also add, that in my own tastes, and my mind's ear, there are players for whom shredding is all they seem to bring to the table, and they get boring real quick. I can hear that 'neo-classical' element that Yngwie has, but after 3 songs of being blown TF away, I'm done.

Like many things in life, it's about balance. I have mad respect for the shredders, as long as they have enough of all the other things that make a solo interesting.

It's like shredders raise the bar, then you raise the bar back on them. (Arms crossed, dude, you think that was good, but bro you can't write.)

The conclusion I've come to is that it takes a ton of effort to play at that level and ALSO being able to write at that level takes just as much work. Its also self indulgent like many jazz players. They are writing songs so they can exercise their chops, not so they can impress people looking for the next hit song.

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

When it comes to rock guitar shred that evokes an emotional response...Jeff Hanneman chromatic nonsense with loads of ludicrous whammy bars stuff is still my fave. Its the opposite of what a lot of folks in here are saying. I mean, I guess its composed but I don't think you'll find much voice leading, or purposeful tension/release melody/harmony relationships. I'll take that stuff over Petrucci or YFM All.Day.Long.

I do love a lot of Guthrie's stuff, I don't DISLIKE the shreddy stuff, but stuff like Bad Asteroid kills me more (not that its technically simple).

At the end of the day, it does come down to just whether or not I like the music, and in that regard I'm pretty consistent in terms of "preferences for less shreddy stuff in general" -- Not really into most concertos; don't really care for most baroque music; etc.

Where technique comes in to play for me is whether or not the guitarist is really milking the tone that is right for the music being played, which is why so much amateur blues music is just unlistenable. Its got nothing to do with the simplicity of the music, or that the guitarist is playing cliched licks, its that typically the band as a whole, and guitarist in particular, just completely misses the mark in terms of REALLY getting the tone, time feel, and subtle articulations that that are required to convert the notes into impactful music.

 

[HotRats]

Even Ratt?

yes, even ratt.

 

[HomespunEffects]

yes, even ratt.

 

[Shredder777]

Where technique comes in to play for me is whether or not the guitarist is really milking the tone that is right for the music being played, which is why so much amateur blues music is just unlistenable. Its got nothing to do with the simplicity of the music, or that the guitarist is playing cliched licks, its that typically the band as a whole, and guitarist in particular, just completely misses the mark in terms of REALLY getting the tone, time feel, and subtle articulations that that are required to convert the notes into impactful music.

The fake orgasm faces while playing something he learned on TrueFire is what turns me off.

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

The fake orgasm faces while playing something he learned on TrueFire is what turns me off.

I mean, if those are the things that you judge a musical experience on, what do I care. But if dude is hitting the right notes, at the right time, with the right tone...I don't really care what his face looks like, or where he learned 'em.

 

[PLX]

I had to use teh Google to figure out what you guys are talkin' about:


Guitar shredding is a style of electric guitar performance that involves playing the guitar very fast and accurately using advanced techniques. It's often associated with heavy metal.

Shredding techniques include: Fast alternate picking, Sweep-picking, Tapping, Using the whammy bar, and Using diminished and harmonic minor scales.

Shred guitarists typically use a guitar amplifier and effects like distortion to create a sustained tone and feedback.

While shredding is a complex art form, the techniques and music theory are relatively simple. The main challenge is the time and practice required to develop the skill.

Some say that shredding is about creating a dazzling effect and grabbing the attention of the listener. Others say that it's about playing as fast as you can without losing control, while also incorporating some slower melodic parts.

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

"Pick a card, any card" is a cool magic trick the first time you see it. Doesn't matter how well its performed subsequent times, its just fucking boring.

Couldn't that be said about any cover song? Or hell, even the third or fourth time you've seen an original artist perform the same song?

SRV made some crazy faces and questionable fashion choices while playing Albert King songs/licks and I didn't like that any less.

 

[Eagle]

Doesn't interest me at all. I love that HC doesn't really have solos.

HC?

 

[PLX]

HC?

Harmony Central

 

[JiveTurkey]

HC?

Hardcore.

 

[Eagle]

I had to use teh Google to figure out what you guys are talkin' about:


Guitar shredding is a style of electric guitar performance that involves playing the guitar very fast and accurately using advanced techniques. It's often associated with heavy metal.

Shredding techniques include: Fast alternate picking, Sweep-picking, Tapping, Using the whammy bar, and Using diminished and harmonic minor scales.

Shred guitarists typically use a guitar amplifier and effects like distortion to create a sustained tone and feedback.

While shredding is a complex art form, the techniques and music theory are relatively simple. The main challenge is the time and practice required to develop the skill.

Some say that shredding is about creating a dazzling effect and grabbing the attention of the listener. Others say that it's about playing as fast as you can without losing control, while also incorporating some slower melodic parts.

Shredding isn’t a note choice so it can go from brilliant to totally shit and everything in between.

 

[Eagle]

The fake orgasm faces while playing something he learned on TrueFire is what turns me off.

So you never learned how to play eruption.

 

[Eagle]

Also shredding has no reason not to have perfect phrasing and musicality. Bach is guilty of a LOT of shred.

 

[Shredder777]

Couldn't that be said about any cover song? Or hell, even the third or fourth time you've seen an original artist perform the same song?

SRV made some crazy faces and questionable fashion choices while playing Albert King songs/licks and I didn't like that any less.

He was on stage. It only works for some people, some of the time.

I guess its more like seeing bad actors. Some actors can pull off a role, others can't. Lets just say 9/10 times amateur players are also bad actors.

 

[PLX]

Hardcore.

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

He was on stage. It only works for some people, some of the time.

I guess its more like seeing bad actors. Some actors can pull off a role, others can't. Lets just say 9/10 times amateur players are also bad actors.

It must be exhausting having so many reasons to hate the art form you seem to dedicate so much of your time to.

 

[Shredder777]

It must be exhausting having so many reasons to hate the art form you seem to dedicate so much of your time to.

Ad hominem always advances a discussion.

 

[PLX]

It must be exhausting having so many reasons to hate the art form you seem to dedicate so much of your time to.

I been giving that Ben Eller dude $5 a month to teach me a thing or to about the guitar.

I linked him a couple of my clips and he told me, "Look.. slow the fuck down and think about each chord you're playing over at any given moment. That way you don't sound like a retard."

So, I been working on that..