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[Sascha Franck]

Are you saying that the waveforms in Logic are too small and this is a known bug?

They are too small, yes. Traditionally. But that's not a bug just partially bad design.

But, as far as the bug goes: Audiofiles peaking below -35dB (you can very easily get that low with your interface trim at zero and your guitar's volume pot dialed down) aren't properly "registered". As in them not showing any waveform display at all, regardless of which zoom method you're using, regardless of whether you're looking at them in the sample editor, etc. The program even refuses to normalize them (should you want that for whatever reasons), telling in you a pop up the file would contain "absolute silence" - all while you can perfectly listen to it.

It's a bug that showed up in the last versions of Logic 10 and likely related to the (undocumented) threshold value working under the hood which is then related to the flashback recording feature introduced in Logic 11 (apparently they were preparing the ground for it in LP10 already). Flashback recording also only works in case there's a peak above -35dB - so if you were sitting there with your guitar volume backed up and noodled around for a bit, then thought "oh, that was a cool idea, let me use flashback recording", chances are it won't work because of the stupid threshold thing not being user definable (showing just how much they try to dumb things down).
The Logic team doesn't give a damn and their phone supporters couldn't even find it in their database - even if I have submitted feedback through their official form. That's how much of a damn they give.

 

[Sascha Franck]

I do this because if I put the input at minimum the wave forms in Logic are tiny, but I’m no expert so there might be another solution, I tried the maximize waveform button but it makes all the waveforms big.

No, there's no other solution. Logic's waveform display is abysmally bad ever since it does audio. I mean, look at things using not too large zoom factors - half of the region's height is covered by a lame region title bar.

 

[TheTrueZoltan!]

No, there's no other solution. Logic's waveform display is abysmally bad ever since it does audio. I mean, look at things using not too large zoom factors - half of the region's height is covered by a lame region title bar.

Seriously, Logic is dead. Apple has abandoned it years ago. Further Farter development basically seems to have stopped, and IMO it‘s inexcusable that 3rd party software like Cubase and the DAW that must not be named outperform Logic on Apple‘s own hardware.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Seriously, Logic is dead. Apple has abandoned it years ago.

Jein (yes/no). They're just dumbing it down so it attracts folks to buy a Mac.
But then, yes, as a competitive DAW it'll be dead pretty soon in case they don't come around with a "Donnerschlag".

 

[Jarick]

Is Logic that bad? I like it more than the Ableton, Reaper, and more recently Luna. I switched from Cubase to Logic nearly 20 years ago when I switched from PC to Mac. I've always liked it and it still seems very popular.

What is it not doing compared to other DAWs?

 

[Sascha Franck]

Is Logic that bad?

Depends on what you want.

What is it not doing compared to other DAWs?

Basically, pretty much anything regarding audio editing is falling *way* behind the competition. You just need to look into the sample editor. It's almost literally the same as in 1998 (and yes, I obviously know it's not, but still...). No working ARA implementation, either - what an incredibly miserable affair.
Add to this they keep messing with things and never fix them. Or they're implenting things in the most halfassed way imaginable and just stop developing them. Look at the chord track, the session player thing, the session player instruments, etc. Bugridden, not finished, etc.

 

[Elf]

Basically, pretty much anything regarding audio editing is falling *way* behind the competition

I’ve used it since it was own by Emagic and this has been my feeling since…

 

[Sascha Franck]

I’ve used it since it was own by Emagic and this has been my feeling since…

IMO they've been on a great way to rule the DAW world at the time directly before the buyout. Incredibly efficient, great featureset for the time. Then came Apple and turned it into a convenience product more and more.

 

[paisleywookiee]

IMO they've been on a great way to rule the DAW world at the time directly before the buyout. Incredibly efficient, great featureset for the time. Then came Apple and turned it into a convenience product more and more.

What do you use currently?

 

[ian_dissonance]

There's some reason to do the leveling via your interface, though, namely to get a "healthy" waveform. With your interface trim all the way down and then possibly dialing back your guitar volume might result in extremely low level audiofiles. Which likely isn't a sonic issue but a visual one (especially for Logic users as the idiots don't manage to get the easiest things properly implemented with some outstanding bugs not being fixed in years in addition...). And because of that, I sometimes record hotter and then use a gain plugin to take ampsim the ampsim input signal to a suitable level.

You can’t zoom the waveforms in Logic?

 

[Sascha Franck]

What do you use currently?

Still Logic. Thought about switching to something else multiple times - but I'm afraid it's kinda too late by now. I've got so many things based on it, it'd be a kinda nightmare. And it still feels more like a sort of instrument to me rather than a tool - which obviously is great. Second nature and all that stuff. And I actually don't like the alternatives too much, either. I would almost need to switch to Cubase (especially as I'm still kinda familiar with it, used it on occasion parallely until version 5 I think, as I was teaching DAW workshops at the local conservatory for a while). But I just can't stand Steinberg's UIs. There's hardly anything with that much buttons, pulldowns and what not. It's making me cringe because they just can't do proper GUIs since decades.
Whatever, I think I may fool around with Ableton Live for a while somewhen next year because I've got some evil plans for a live thing. Depending on how that feels, I may as well keep using something else but Logic (not necessarily Live, that'd just be a vehicle to see whether I could still adopt to a vastly different workflow).

 

[Sascha Franck]

You can’t zoom the waveforms in Logic?

You can. But not very well. And in case they're peaking below -35dB, you can't at all.

 

[ian_dissonance]

You can. But not very well. And in case they're peaking below -35dB, you can't at all.

That’s goofy. The few times I’ve had to use it I don’t like it because it does too much hand-holding trying to have things be a certain way. Too used the most customizable DAW on the planet letting me do whatever I want.

 

[nicolasrivera]

This new Archetype JM-X is the best pluging ever made by human kind. Ever,

 

[ian_dissonance]

This new Archetype JM-X is the best pluging ever made by human kind. Ever,

Everyone knows the best plugin ever made is OTT.

 

[Dez]

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[Mongillo19]

521K views · 8.3K reactions | This video was taken the day I played through the first build of the Neural DSP Archetype JM X plugin. We’d set up my amp rig in the live room and were switching between the rig and the plugin. I threw every test at it;

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Pretty cool!

 

[grafter.puzzler]

Update: I turned the gain on my interface down to zero.

What a difference. Now it sounds like what I expected.

 

[paisleywookiee]

Still Logic. Thought about switching to something else multiple times - but I'm afraid it's kinda too late by now. I've got so many things based on it, it'd be a kinda nightmare. And it still feels more like a sort of instrument to me rather than a tool - which obviously is great. Second nature and all that stuff. And I actually don't like the alternatives too much, either. I would almost need to switch to Cubase (especially as I'm still kinda familiar with it, used it on occasion parallely until version 5 I think, as I was teaching DAW workshops at the local conservatory for a while). But I just can't stand Steinberg's UIs. There's hardly anything with that much buttons, pulldowns and what not. It's making me cringe because they just can't do proper GUIs since decades.
Whatever, I think I may fool around with Ableton Live for a while somewhen next year because I've got some evil plans for a live thing. Depending on how that feels, I may as well keep using something else but Logic (not necessarily Live, that'd just be a vehicle to see whether I could still adopt to a vastly different workflow).

That’s my view too. I’ve occasionally tried other stuff; Studio One, Waveform, UA’s (can’t remember the name). Reaper is a hideous turd that I’m convinced is only popular because it’s free.

 

[[Nathan]]

That’s my view too. I’ve occasionally tried other stuff; Studio One, Waveform, UA’s (can’t remember the name). Reaper is a hideous turd that I’m convinced is only popular because it’s free.

Skin it like winamp
You can also customise everything. I’d pretty much be lost on a stock reaper setup because of every mouse click, middle click and everything I’ve setup to work the way I want it to

Folders, audio tracks, bus tracks and midi tracks all being interchangeable without the need to define them is all super handy as well.
Not getting extorted with upgrade pricing is also the cherry on top.

All daws have some kind of pro imo but if you don’t know why you’re about to shell out for Cubase pro and you’re just doing it cause you feel the need to, reaper is the better path at that point. I’d only use a premium tier daw if there was a burning reason to (industry standard, advanced composition features etc etc)