Rumor mill: John Mayer plugin coming soon?

[JiveTurkey]

As soon as I see his neckbeard I check out

What if it's covering a spiderweb tattoo

 

[Jkist7]

So that link has a link to this YouTube video:

In the video it says that you should set the interface to maximum gain before clipping and adjust the input in the plugin. But @Whizzinby is saying that’s not the right approach.

So now I’m more confused

You're getting too caught up in the weeds now. Honestly just set it to where it sounds good / sounds like the demos you've seen with a given preset.

But with the Neural stuff, the advice you originally got from Sascha is spot on IMO. Run with that.

 

[Orvillain]

So that link has a link to this YouTube video:

In the video it says that you should set the interface to maximum gain before clipping and adjust the input in the plugin. But @Whizzinby is saying that’s not the right approach.

So now I’m more confused

He's wrong.

 

[grafter.puzzler]

You're getting too caught up in the weeds now. Honestly just set it to where it sounds good / sounds like the demos you've seen with a given preset.

But with the Neural stuff, the advice you originally got from Sascha is spot on IMO. Run with that.

That video was in the link that @Sascha Franck gave though.

I’m not at my computer now but I’m going to try both approaches later and see what happens.

It seems clear though that my input gain is way too hot and I can either adjust it using the gain knob on the interface or the input gain knob in the plugin itself.

 

[MirrorProfiles]

So that link has a link to this YouTube video:

In the video it says that you should set the interface to maximum gain before clipping and adjust the input in the plugin. But @Whizzinby is saying that’s not the right approach.

So now I’m more confused

That only works if you know exactly how much level to subtract in the plugin. And you only get a benefit in signal to noise IF your noise is higher than your pickup noise. Your 2i2 is unlikely to benefit much (if at all). You can set it to 0 and not worry. His video goes out of his way to find the noisiest AND quietest interfaces that are the edge cases of edge cases. Your interface does not fall into that category.

The FM9 produces a quieter signal than the 2i2, I can't remember without checking if it's 16 or 17dBu though.

if you set it to 0 its way easier. These plugins are literally designed for you to do it like that on common interfaces like 2i2's and Apollos so its as easy as possible.

 

[grafter.puzzler]

That only works if you know exactly how much level to subtract in the plugin. And you only get a benefit in signal to noise IF your noise is higher than your pickup noise. Your 2i2 is unlikely to benefit much (if at all). You can set it to 0 and not worry. His video goes out of his way to find the noisiest AND quietest interfaces that are the edge cases of edge cases. Your interface does not fall into that category.

The FM9 produces a quieter signal than the 2i2, I can't remember without checking if it's 16 or 17dBu though.

if you set it to 0 its way easier. These plugins are literally designed for you to do it like that on common interfaces like 2i2's and Apollos so its as easy as possible.

Ok that makes sense.

While we’re on the subject of the FM9, where exactly would I be setting the gain for that? Just in the input block?

 

[MirrorProfiles]

Ok that makes sense.

While we’re on the subject of the FM9, where exactly would I be setting the gain for that? Just in the input block?

Nah just leave it at unity

 

[grafter.puzzler]

Nah just leave it at unity

Even that still felt too hot. So just adjust in the plugin then?

 

[MirrorProfiles]

Even that still felt too hot. So just adjust in the plugin then?

Yes. You can use your interface at 0 gain as a reference for how it’s supposed to sound and behave, and just adjust your fractal level (either in the unit itself or in the plugin) to match that. Once it’s set you can use that same level for all your guitars and it’ll behave as it’s supposed to

 

[Sascha Franck]

Even that still felt too hot. So just adjust in the plugin then?

Seriously, as said: Check how well your Scarlett works, then compare the working level to what you get from the FM9 and adjust that accordingly.

 

[deadpool_25]

Are you actually serious??

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Your blood is 100% crack-smoke if you think these pedal graphics look anything other than absolute dogshit.


OH NO!! THEY'RE UNDER MY SKIN!! IT BURNS !! IT BURRRRRNNSSS!!

.. fuck outta here.

It looks like someone hand painted black over the pedal’s normal aesthetics.

Because John has (had?) a tendency to do that with stuff on his real pedals. IIRC he said it was because he realized the effect his gear choices had on the gear market and didn’t want to advertise exactly what he was using in some cases so as to not inflate prices. All painting them really did was fuel speculation and research. That eventually led to folks figuring stuff out anyway and it still affected prices on that gear.

So it’s an aesthetic choice by John most likely, and seems to me like a somewhat inside joke for the many John Mayer tone chasers out there.

So yeah it’s “ugly” but it’s fun-ugly I think. Like your face.

 

[Orvillain]

Like your face

ur mum

 

[AlbertA]

So that link has a link to this YouTube video:

In the video it says that you should set the interface to maximum gain before clipping and adjust the input in the plugin. But @Whizzinby is saying that’s not the right approach.

So now I’m more confused

That's if you want to optimize your Signal-to-Noise-Ratio (SNR) - but then you need a measure the voltage of the signal coming in so you can correlate that voltage level to a dBFS value in the digital domain.

If you want to keep it simple, set your interface to the its minimum gain and just use the database.

 

[Orvillain]

This playlist.

 

[grafter.puzzler]

This playlist.

I can't watch this video at the moment but the thumbnail seems to suggest that turning the gain down isn't the right idea. I thought you said the guy who said to turn the gain up is wrong

 

[ian_dissonance]

I can't watch this video at the moment but the thumbnail seems to suggest that turning the gain down isn't the right idea. I thought you said the guy who said to turn the gain up is wrong

Typically turning up the gain turns up the preamp noise, so you just get everything louder, noise included.

 

[Sascha Franck]

There's some reason to do the leveling via your interface, though, namely to get a "healthy" waveform. With your interface trim all the way down and then possibly dialing back your guitar volume might result in extremely low level audiofiles. Which likely isn't a sonic issue but a visual one (especially for Logic users as the idiots don't manage to get the easiest things properly implemented with some outstanding bugs not being fixed in years in addition...). And because of that, I sometimes record hotter and then use a gain plugin to take ampsim the ampsim input signal to a suitable level.

 

[grafter.puzzler]

There's some reason to do the leveling via your interface, though, namely to get a "healthy" waveform. With your interface trim all the way down and then possibly dialing back your guitar volume might result in extremely low level audiofiles. Which likely isn't a sonic issue but a visual one (especially for Logic users as the idiots don't manage to get the easiest things properly implemented with some outstanding bugs not being fixed in years in addition...). And because of that, I sometimes record hotter and then use a gain plugin to take ampsim the ampsim input signal to a suitable level.

Are you saying that the waveforms in Logic are too small and this is a known bug?

 

[Elf]

That only works if you know exactly how much level to subtract in the plugin.

I do this because if I put the input at minimum the wave forms in Logic are tiny, but I’m no expert so there might be another solution, I tried the maximize waveform button but it makes all the waveforms big.

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

Immediate buy, I love John Mayer, I will turn off notifications and show myself out this thread now.

I couldn’t care less about Mayer and bought it 10 minutes into demoing it.