Realistic reverb is crap

I was reading a post on Reddit a few months back by a non-musician who was fascinated with the studio world and I initially knee-jerked to his depiction of recorded music, essentially saying it’s all a lie and nothing what you hear actually sounds like that in the room. Once my knee was done jerking I couldn’t disagree, even if you’re doing just basic lo/hi cuts, it’s still not a representation of what was in the room.

And I’ve long been saying that vocals are a shitload of smoke and mirrors of mic gain, compression and reverb that give the idea someone is considerably louder than they actually are, for years. So many vocal tracks that sound like they’re being belted out at a blaring volume are barely above speaking level, but with enough drama in the performance and enough reverb to sound like a voice is bouncing off the walls and it sounds quite different.

i think that capturing an incredible live and live sounding performance IS possible.. but i haveta say that its seldom JUST the tracks as they hit tape. even classical music or live jazz gets worked on between mic and pressing multiple times.
 
i think that capturing an incredible live and live sounding performance IS possible.. but i haveta say that its seldom JUST the tracks as they hit tape. even classical music or live jazz gets worked on between mic and pressing multiple times.

I've record and mixed several times orchestras, string quartets or jazz bands (live on location and in studio) and even if there's a lot of editing and audio manipulation involved, most of the times everything is done in a very natural way.

It’s a very different approach compared to the one used in pop/rock discography.
 
This is such a GREAT book on the history of captured/created sound and the differences
in approaches over the past 150+ years or so. It is freaking brilliant, and has totally
shaped the way I see recorded music. The recorded music that is no such an abstraction
that it has come to infect, infiltrate, and inspire what happens with actual live music.

Perfecting-Sound-Forever.jpg


The synopsis is that early recorded music fooled listeners into thinking
it was being performed live. There are tales of tricking entire audiences
that were in utter disbelief. Of course, we listen now and we think an
early etched recording on a Grammaphone is trash.
:LOL:

Later, recording music became more of a laboratory experiment to see
what new sounds could be created that did not exist in the natural world.
We are VERY much still neck deep in that phase. For good, and for ill. :idk

For instance, much of the low-end and subharmonic bass we hear plastered
all over recorded music (and which is nigh unto impossible to recreate live
without some serious wattage and massive arrays!) maybe only exists naturally
in thunderstorms, nuclear explosions, and volcanic eruptions.
:rofl

Another funny insights are all these interstellar reverbs with infinite decay being
deemed synonymous with space and stars and supernovae. Yet, an astrophysicist
will tell you space is more like a vacuum and the deadest room at the Inn you
could ever not hear in your life. :unsure:

Shoutout to @State of Epicicity for suggesting that book to me a few years ago.
:beer
 
This is such a GREAT book on the history of captured/created sound and the differences
in approaches over the past 150+ years or so. It is freaking brilliant, and has totally
shaped the way I see recorded music. The recorded music that is no such an abstraction
that it has come to infect, infiltrate, and inspire what happens with actual live music.

Perfecting-Sound-Forever.jpg


The synopsis is that early recorded music fooled listeners into thinking
it was being performed live. There are tales of tricking entire audiences
that were in utter disbelief. Of course, we listen now and we think an
early etched recording on a Grammaphone is trash.
:LOL:

Later, recording music became more of a laboratory experiment to see
what new sounds could be created that did not exist in the natural world.
We are VERY much still neck deep in that phase. For good, and for ill. :idk

For instance, much of the low-end and subharmonic bass we hear plastered
all over recorded music (and which is nigh unto impossible to recreate live
without some serious wattage and massive arrays!) maybe only exists naturally
in thunderstorms, nuclear explosions, and volcanic eruptions.
:rofl

Another funny insights are all these interstellar reverbs with infinite decay being
deemed synonymous with space and stars and supernovae. Yet, an astrophysicist
will tell you space is more like a vacuum and the deadest room at the Inn you
could ever not hear in your life. :unsure:

Shoutout to @State of Epicicity for suggesting that book to me a few years ago.
:beer
isn’t there something about the development of tape machines being a Nazi trick to fool the allies into thinking they were doing big speeches or performances in random locations and at weird times of the day? A bit sad how much of modern music recording equipment comes directly from war.

Lovely to see you back posting again here @la szum . Hope all is well!
 
isn’t there something about the development of tape machines being a Nazi trick to fool the allies into thinking they were doing big speeches or performances in random locations and at weird times of the day? A bit sad how much of modern music recording equipment comes directly from war.

Lovely to see you back posting again here @la szum . Hope all is well!

Oh man! What doesn't?
:facepalm


War is such a massive driving force for innovation, deception, and design. It's bonkers. This
Planet must be ruled by Mars or something. :idk

Thanks, Ed! Happy Holidays, and hope all is well on that side of the Pond.
:beer

And yes, Germany and BASF. Not unlike the interconnected devices we are communicating
to one another on right now. Thank you Warring Overlords!
:LOL:


Ok, probably not funny..... but pretty accurate. :idk
 
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