NDSP Quad Cortex

[JiveTurkey]

And hey.... I've put my money where my mouth is twice now. I'm very comfortable with my reasoned position.

I'll continue to live unvicariously through you

 

[Orvillain]

I'll continue to live unvicariously through you

Get your own Japanese wife!!!

 

[ejecta]

Are there even enough onboard "devices(?)" available to make 4cm make sense with the QC?

IMHO it’s not my use case for it so I couldn’t say. 4CM introduces more opportunity for noise so it’s not surprising it’s an issue. If I were going 4CM with an amp there are better options than most all in the box modelers and not for noise floor reasons.

 

[Orvillain]

Worth bearing in mind that perceptually every 10dB increase is perceived as double the volume (roughly speaking) - so if VP4 is -20dB of noise floor, and QC is -10dB of noise floor, then yes... indeed it would be perceived as twice as noisy.

 

[ejecta]

I believe the differences in the amount of gain you and Orvie generally go for are pretty far apart.

Since amount of gain has been brought up…. I’m sorry if this offends and again it’s all subjective but imho if you have to use the amount of gain that it makes a very loud audible hiss to the point of where you are excessively gating shit and a bit higher noise floor causes you to freak out then you play with way to much gain. YMMV for the sensitive.

 

[JiveTurkey]

 

[Orvillain]

IMHO it’s not my use case for it so I couldn’t say. 4CM introduces more opportunity for noise so it’s not surprising it’s an issue. If I were going 4CM with an amp there are better options than most all in the box modelers and not for noise floor reasons.

My perspective is, if I'm spending around £1600.... and the unit cannot be bang on perfect in every scenario, then I'd rather spend another £1000 and get the unit that does it properly.

But that being said, I don't use my Axe3 for this now. I got the VP4 so that I didn't have to cart around a rack unit. But I still have that option, should I really feel the need for more than 4 slots. The Axe3 as a standalone unit has been the best and most professional sounding experience out of everything I have tried.

It is actually quite surprising how many scenarios the QC actually has flaws in, given the price point.

Since amount of gain has been brought up…. I’m sorry if this offends and again it’s all subjective but imho if you have to use the amount of gain that it makes a very loud audible hiss to the point of where you are excessively gating shit and a bit higher noise floor causes you to freak out then you play with way to much gain. YMMV for the sensitive.

This is one of those boomer-minded attacks that is just not relevant, and is another fallacious argument. But as I said, the QC white-noise-hiss is perfectly audible even when using it with an amps clean channel. Level of gain is simply not relevant.

But be that as it may, I don't use anywhere near the amount of gain that a band like Slipknot uses, for example. When I listened to @ian_dissonance 's band, he uses more gain than I do.


Listen, I get it. As a QC owner, the temptation is to try to nullify my point, or disbelieve it. I've been there with my favourite bits of gear too. The temptation is to find as many top tier artists (who don't even buy their shit!) to show off how your bit of gear is being used by this, that, or the other person.

But all you need to do is try it - just do the mildest amount of science, and you'll see for yourself.

 

[mbenigni]

It is a perfectly acceptable turn of phrase.

“Perfectly acceptable to you” LOL.

Point is I don’t give a damn about the “appeals to authority” either. I get that eg John Mayer can use the thing one way and it can still suck for another. Just a matter of semantics (or pedantry) re: “professional”.

 

[mbenigni]

I wonder why this is all over this thread, and I have never done the observation that it is myself.
I’m not deaf, use in 4cm frequently, record with it…and so many other people do so also…

Sure, it’s noisier then other units when not grounded..but that’s such an easy fix, and you’d do that with any ungrounded unit.
Maybe it has a higher noisefloor..idnk…maybe that only reveals itself in extreme usecases

Likely a question of what sorts of tones appeal to you. Turn off the noise gates, add a high gain amp (esp. with a drive pedal in front), and you’ll find more hiss than on an equivalent preset on FAS.

 

[ejecta]

This is one of those boomer-minded attacks that is just not relevant, and is another fallacious argument.

Boomer… nice strawman. I’m not even from that age bracket. That said it doesn’t take age to know you’re using way too much gain to try and cover up shitty playing which doesn’t work.

 

[Orvillain]

Boomer… nice strawman. I’m not even from that age bracket. That said it doesn’t take age to know you’re using way too much gain to cover up shitty playing.

Boomer is a mindset, not an age bracket. And it wasn't a strawman, it was an ad hominem.

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I use the right amount of gain for hard-rock and post-metal, and I clearly know how to play guitar.

I've never heard your music I'm afraid, so I couldn't comment.

 

[ejecta]

Boomer is a mindset, not an age bracket. And it wasn't a strawman, it was an ad hominem.

It can be both fucktard. Now that’s an ad hominem.

 

[Orvillain]

It can be both fucktard. Now that’s an ad hominem.

Boomerdom confirmed.

 

[Mongillo19]

Maybe if you all convince Orv the QC is pro level, he can get a 3rd one

 

[JiveTurkey]

Seems pretty sensitive type-y

 

[Orvillain]

Projecta.

 

[ian_dissonance]

Boomer… nice strawman. I’m not even from that age bracket. That said it doesn’t take age to know you’re using way too much gain to try and cover up shitty playing which doesn’t work.

What a silly thing to say. Gain makes mistakes MORE audible. Let me guess triggers on drums is cheating, too? There’s not such thing as “way too much gain” since it’s all contextual. I don’t really use a ton of gain for what I’m playing, so if @Orvillain is using even less then that he’s in the just over breakup territory.

 

[ejecta]

Boomerdom confirmed.

And confirmed you like shit tone with too much gain because cause you can’t play.

 

[JiveTurkey]

Don't make me use my "Well well well" gif!

 

[ejecta]

Don't make me use my "Well well well" gif!

Oh come I’m just having fun with the re re’s.