Line 6 HX Bedroom™ (HX Stomp Successor) Speculation Thread

[JCW308]

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to big. 4 switches is one to many, to many buttons, screen is to big…

5 encoders is cool though.


Jk

to? Say what?

 

[ispunk]

I think the Stadium Road Map is:

1. Release Stadium Floor units
2. Release Stadium derivative units
3. ????
4. Profit

 

[the swede]

to? Say what?

Too tooooooooi!!!!! There. Happy now. Don’t pretend like you didn’t understand what I meant, you perfect spelling well writing master of languages you.

 

[norminal]

Breaking: People asking for scribble strips on a 3 switch unit have lost control over their lives!

Laughs in FM3.

 

[ian_dissonance]

Breaking: People asking for scribble strips on a 3 switch unit have lost control over their lives!

I want even less screen and a smaller box.

 

[quadgear]

Looper on this device will be a critical feature.

 

[spawnofthesith]

Haven’t read through thread, but for me to make a jump there’d probably have to be some ground breaking FX improvements, as I mostly am using my stomp as a glorified compact multi fx unit. Would love to see some dramatic development as far as synth algos go. Although ironically, I use the legacy synth fx much more than the actual HX ones

 

[Sascha Franck]

Quite some of the stuff I use comes from the M-series (had an M13 and in fact regret selling it because, well, regarding switches I go with Mr. Malmsteen all day long: more is more!). The Vetta Comp is my pre-amp/dirt boost in each and every of my patches ever since I found it and I very often use some of the delays, too.

 

[Sascha Franck]

as I mostly am using my stomp as a glorified compact multi fx unit.

Btw, this is precisely how I used it on the old version of my old board. Given live-board friendliness, it's been the best spatial FX unit I ever had by an extremely wide margin. Sure, there's units delivering better quality individual FX, there's also some things doing "more", but as a compact unit doing it all, the Stomp has been absolutely unbeatable for me. The only thing that might be a contender would be the Fractal VP4 - but it couldn't be used as universally (as there's no amp modeling).

 

[Sascha Franck]

Come to think of it, all my (IMO at least sort of valid) complaints aside, it's quite amazing for how many applications I have been using the Stomp so far:

- As a delay/reverb/more FX unit on my old big board.
- As an amp/dirt only module on my (GT-1000 centered) big board. It's now off that board but might see a return.
- As a gigbag unit that I took with me to sessions, running either into an amp (input or return) or any PA-alike FR thing.
- As the main player on my small board, which is actually seeing more use than I'd ever thought.
- As a backup unit that I just slap into my utility case (in fact, the entire small board fits in there nicely).
- As a recording tool.

And all of that hasn't been one-time-affairs, it's kind of regular things happening.

Can't tell any such a success story about any other unit I ever owned.

 

[the swede]

Come to think of it, all my (IMO at least sort of valid) complaints aside, it's quite amazing for how many applications I have been using the Stomp so far:

- As a delay/reverb/more FX unit on my old big board.
- As an amp/dirt only module on my (GT-1000 centered) big board. It's now off that board but might see a return.
- As a gigbag unit that I took with me to sessions, running either into an amp (input or return) or any PA-alike FR thing.
- As the main player on my small board, which is actually seeing more use than I'd ever thought.
- As a backup unit that I just slap into my utility case (in fact, the entire small board fits in there nicely).
- As a recording tool.

And all of that hasn't been one-time-affairs, it's kind of regular things happening.

Can't tell any such a success story about any other unit I ever owned.

Overall the best “guitar pedal” (one could add bass, synth or anything according to preference) ever made. imho.

For a significant period, maybe 70% of my 5-6 years with the stomp, it was my only box, including as an audio interface.

Stomp, Jet Micro, dvp mini. Done.

 

[MirrorProfiles]

View attachment 46555

I made a mockup.

Looks awesome, but IMO it’s too similar to the bigger units and I think it would be tough to reduce costs and differentiate them enough.

Plus the screen forces the unit to be of a certain size that could be massively reduced with something else.

I’d love to see something little more than the switches, with anything extra as optional peripherals and using wireless tech to do more involved processes. Maybe I just feel like a beautiful big touchscreen and STOMP are conflicting things in my head - I see stomp as a rugged, pedal board friendly problem solver. Gimme the uglier tank metal case. Not a Mini full fat Helix.

I’d imagine the Stomp has been such a success for Line 6 that it’ll come sooner on the roadmap, and it’s also something they’ll be determined to get perfect.

 

[JCW308]

Too tooooooooi!!!!! There. Happy now. Don’t pretend like you didn’t understand what I meant, you perfect spelling well writing master of languages you.

Hey man, I have feelings to.

:-)

 

[Sascha Franck]

Maybe I just feel like a beautiful big touchscreen and STOMP are conflicting things in my head

They sort of are for me, too. But then, IMO the screen could as well be vastly smaller (just a little larger than the current one).
Personally, I would even get away with no touchscreen at all, given Line 6 offers other options to very quickly navigate to things and move them around (which they sort of actually are already), but unfortunately the dozens of cheap chinese units have set the bar in a way that by now, each and every modeler just has to have a touchscreen.
But then, as said, anything smartphone-sized IMO would already do. I'd rather have more knobs than a larger touchscreen.

 

[the swede]

Hey man, I have feelings to.

:-)

Yes. I acknowledge that your feelings were hurt when you had to read a lot of wrong used to’s.

Side note on that… is that to me, with my language, I find it so mind blowing that the same word “to” and “too” (it sounds the same) isn’t the same at all. Phones help for sure. I just forget sometimes to switch to English keyboard spelling.

 

[the swede]

Remembering my first Stomp setup. This was used in a band for 2-3 years. I later had the Jet Micro and a dvp mini on that board.

 

[laxu]

Looks awesome, but IMO it’s too similar to the bigger units and I think it would be tough to reduce costs and differentiate them enough.

Plus the screen forces the unit to be of a certain size that could be massively reduced with something else.

I’d love to see something little more than the switches, with anything extra as optional peripherals and using wireless tech to do more involved processes. Maybe I just feel like a beautiful big touchscreen and STOMP are conflicting things in my head - I see stomp as a rugged, pedal board friendly problem solver. Gimme the uglier tank metal case. Not a Mini full fat Helix.

I’d imagine the Stomp has been such a success for Line 6 that it’ll come sooner on the roadmap, and it’s also something they’ll be determined to get perfect.

After using the Hotone Ampero 2 Stomp, I have hard time imagining this sort of device any other way. That has a small 4" touchscreen and it's not an issue for the UI it has. So I'm thinking if Line6 shrink Stadium's display from 8" to the Hotone A2 Stage size 5", that would still work without issue. We are still talking about a unit that is slightly smaller than the A2 Stage, if I estimate from my mockups.

The Hotone is already not quite as limited as the HX Stomp so it makes a better "almost everything you need" than a "center of your pedalboard" device. Line6 could do something even smaller where the editing is left to wireless editing on a phone or tablet like the Nano Cortex does.

 

[MirrorProfiles]

They sort of are for me, too. But then, IMO the screen could as well be vastly smaller (just a little larger than the current one).
Personally, I would even get away with no touchscreen at all, given Line 6 offers other options to very quickly navigate to things and move them around (which they sort of actually are already), but unfortunately the dozens of cheap chinese units have set the bar in a way that by now, each and every modeler just has to have a touchscreen.
But then, as said, anything smartphone-sized IMO would already do. I'd rather have more knobs than a larger touchscreen.

I couldn’t agree more with you

After using the Hotone Ampero 2 Stomp, I have hard time imagining this sort of device any other way. That has a small 4" touchscreen and it's not an issue for the UI it has. So I'm thinking if Line6 shrink Stadium's display from 8" to the Hotone A2 Stage size 5", that would still work without issue. We are still talking about a unit that is slightly smaller than the A2 Stage, if I estimate from my mockups.

The Hotone is already not quite as limited as the HX Stomp so it makes a better "almost everything you need" than a "center of your pedalboard" device. Line6 could do something even smaller where the editing is left to wireless editing on a phone or tablet like the Nano Cortex does.

I still feel like the screen is essential for the “workstation” type features, but I think most of those aren’t necessary for a stomp type product. I think the added cost and size trade offs would have to be well worth using an onboard screen (on the floor!) over using something wirelessly. Feels crazy to say, but I don’t feel like the screen is something that is absolutely essential, at least when I think about what differentiates the stomp from the bigger units.

 

[laxu]

I still feel like the screen is essential for the “workstation” type features, but I think most of those aren’t necessary for a stomp type product. I think the added cost and size trade offs would have to be well worth using an onboard screen (on the floor!) over using something wirelessly. Feels crazy to say, but I don’t feel like the screen is something that is absolutely essential, at least when I think about what differentiates the stomp from the bigger units.

I think it's useful for any adjustments. Could it be achieved with a different design and a much smaller screen? Or just small strip with param values and maybe preset name shown? Probably. But I expect Line6 to continue their "use the same thing for other products and just scale them where appropriate" pattern.

I hate the trend of moving functionality to mobile apps. Moving virtual knobs or sliders on a touchscreen sucks with its lack of tactility and your finger obscuring what you are editing. It's fine for advanced features like how it's implemented in say Source Audio pedals and the Neuro app, but for basic functionality having to dig up a phone is something I just don't want.

 

[MirrorProfiles]

I think it's useful for any adjustments. Could it be achieved with a different design and a much smaller screen? Or just small strip with param values and maybe preset name shown? Probably. But I expect Line6 to continue their "use the same thing for other products and just scale them where appropriate" pattern.

I hate the trend of moving functionality to mobile apps. Moving virtual knobs or sliders on a touchscreen sucks with its lack of tactility and your finger obscuring what you are editing. It's fine for advanced features like how it's implemented in say Source Audio pedals and the Neuro app, but for basic functionality having to dig up a phone is something I just don't want.

It is, but I think a more novel approach can work too. I think for complex patches I’d still rather build them on a computer, and I think an iPad would be a fairly good trade off for a cheaper/smaller device.

I think I’d prefer to see a few encoders that can be saved to have different functions per preset, and those are used for on the fly tweaks and performance. Keeping size, durability, power consumption, cost, simplicity at their most basic should be the main drivers.

If someone prefers a dedicated on board editor, I think they just just go for the flagship devices. I think it’s best to distinguish the different units in the lineup as much as possible to cater to different needs rather than having a russian doll “it’s the same but a teeny bit smaller than the one above it” lineup.