Line 6 Helix Stadium

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Pretty funny. I do honestly think at this point sound clips are useless. I understand why people want them but I also understand why line 6 isn’t giving them to us yet. There will be plenty of sound clips available in a few months for the bedroom tone experts to criticize, but at least then people will have access to the stadium so that it can defend itself so to speak. Why give people a chance to start crapping on it before it’s even out, based on some over compressed youtube video played back through an iPhone speaker?
Yeah, I probably shouldn't have admitted to that out loud—Line 6 doesn't even know we did that. :D The clips actually sounded great, because Axe FX sounds great. But yeah, still hilarious.
-What's the maximum number of tracks you can have in Showcase?
-Is there a technical reason not to use combo jack+XLR sockets for both outputs, so both are balanced? Or are the jack outputs balanced too?

I'm asking this because I'm trying to figure out how to use Showcase for having backing tracks and a click track that only the band would hear. I'm guessing I would send the click track alone to one output and my guitar and the backing tracks to another, and then in the mixer do the routing. But I wonder if I should get a DI box for the jack outputs to avoid signal loss in certain gigs.

OTOH, not sure if I would be able to send the click track through one of the sends, so I have one output for my guitar (for monitoring) and the XLR output for my guitar+the backing tracks.
8 mono or stereo.

Presumably, you'd just mute the click for the 1/4" and XLR Matrix layers, and leave it on for the Phones output to your drummer. No special routing necessary. There are other routing scenarios we support, but I can't get into details right now.
Channels, bright switches and inputs seem also switchable now. If you look closely at DI's video on the Stadium landing page, you can see that on some amps. They did that on the newer Helix models already but it's nice that this seems the standard now. You can also set the controls of the unsued channels. So real channel switching even on vintage amps seems possible now.
We were going to wait to announce this but screw it. If you count models like we did with Helix, Stadium currently has 39 Agoura amps/channels, not 16+6. (The 50th Anniversary Ampeg SVT has 5 channels alone.) However, some amps (like the Revv 120 and Bogner Ecstasy) are too big to include multiple channels in a single model, so we're keeping them separate, as in OG Helix.
Definitely understandable why they’d want to be cautious with it, but demonstrating absolutely ripping tones should be pretty easy for them to do. They have access to some of the best guitarists ever to have lived, a decent studio, the most ideal conditions imaginable.

I think it’s just a case of them planning the right approach - picking the right examples and framing them in the most appropriate contexts. I don’t think they need to be TOO cautious about it, I think a bit of bravery and confidence goes a hell of a long way.

The opposite is something like what Nembrini do, a half assed soundcloud playlist of largely dreadful demos. I’m not surprised at the response of them posting AxeFX preset demos - something that has been dialled in by someone else is never going to sound quite right when played by someone else. Demos should show the absolute best of what’s possible, not just “here’s me playing a random ass preset that I didn’t even make, and not sure I even like”.

I think if I made a playlist playing through stock presets on any device they’d sound underwhelming. It would be like trying to mix a song using only presets made by someone else
The demo video's guitar was Agoura and dialed in by Jeff Schroeder (Smashing Pumpkins); the bass was Agoura and dialed in by John Button (Roger Daltrey, session guru).

Clips are forthcoming.
@Digital Igloo really? Meaningless? I guess I completely disagree.
Within the context of what we were actually talking about, yes, they're meaningless specifically because a veritable army of chodes will descend like locusts with a billion "HuR DuR! ThAt S0uNdZ diGItuHL y0U nEEd fRacTal oR yoU sUcK!" comments. The screenshot in sashimi's quote above describes a real-world example that proves my point.

It doesn't matter how amazing our clips sound, it literally won't affect the narrative at all. YouTube will YouTube and biased douchebags will douchebag. If they invested in a particular product, they somehow feel incentivized to knock everyone else's product down a peg, as if it somehow validates their purchase decision... yet they treat it as if their comments validate their very existence. Frankly, it's transparent and pathetic, and if I catch a Helix user doing the same thing, I try to call them out on it.

So they're not itching for clips to hear Agoura, they're itching for clips so they can $#!‡ on Agoura, whether they actually listen to them or not. $100 says we could release a YouTube video of Stadium clips today—with no audio whatsoever—and the comment section will still contain comments on how it sounds like @$$ and that Fractal or QC is soooo much better. Honest criticism takes work and perspective.

Also, a big part of Agoura (and this is echoed repeatedly by beta testers) is its immediacy and how it responds under your fingers; clips do nothing to help convey this. Still, clips are forthcoming. As mentioned repeatedly in both the keynote and long-form video, please be patient.
Yes. Ive seen lots of pix of big, touring bands with Fractals in racks backstage. Can’t imagine L6 wants to leave that “market” to the competition.

Had a few folks mention the Native as a solid alternative to the Rack for studio use. But, when already expecting your computer to crunch through dozens and dozens of tracks in a DAW, adding Native to the processor’s workload seems like asking for frustration.
Back when POD HD Pro was out, people still used hardware to record guitars in studios. But now, the percentage of Helix Racks sold vs. Helix Floor/LT compared to HD Pro/X vs. HD 500/X are notably smaller. Rack form factors are selling less as years go by, presumably because it's so much easier to just use plugins like Helix Native.

I have songs with 30+ instances of Helix Native. No reamping ever required, because they're all running in real time. I just use Helix Rack as a front end/variable impedance input now and when I want to mess around without having to boot up my studio Mac and Logic.
TBH, the 'armchair engineer' attitude in this place is getting a little out of hand.
TGF isn't a tiny fraction as bad as YouTube. Man, that Sweetwater video comment section is a straight clown car, and the Guitar World announcement thread for Helix stadium is 99% toxic bile filled with AIDS-infected needles. Seriously, some of those guys are just plain bad people; the constant feral urge to spew diarrhea onto anything and everything cannot be good for one's mental health.

Relatively speaking, this place (and Chad Boston's group) is a breath of fresh air. So thank you all.
 
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I have songs with 30+ instances of Helix Stadium. No reamping ever required, because they're all running in real time. I just use Helix Rack as a front end/variable impedance input now and when I want to mess around without having to boot up my studio Mac and Logic.
Does this mean you’re using some prototype of a future Stadium plugin on your Mac?
 
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Does this mean you’re using some prototype of a future Stadium plugin on your Mac?
Crap. Believe me or don't, but there is currently no working version of Agoura in a plugin. There is currently no Helix Stadium Native (but a betting person could safely infer we'll eventually get there). I honestly just mistyped that; fixed.

EDIT: Damn, I did it twice! Well, I've typed the word "Stadium" so many damn times this week...
 
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They want to buy a modeler, and they want it to sound like the heavens from the first chord.

I agree with both you and @MirrorProfiles - but on a unit with literally endless amounts of presets, anything and anything in between should be somewhat doable.

Anyhow, I think a great block preset library would be a welcomed addition (in case there are block presets). Would allow people to explore any kind of somewhat complexed blocks a bit faster in context without loading a completely new preset.
 
are the touchscreens different between say android and apple?

Depends on the Android device, but out of the Samsungs I owned (some S models, now a lesser A55, plus some Tab A things), none of them could compete with Apple's screens. For any kind of daily usage, it might not matter, but once you're dialing in more delicate things, it does.
Just around 1 week ago I had an opportunity to A/B the very same (HTML based) IEM mixing app on a higher end Samsung tablet and a not even all new iPad and the difference was quite notable. The iPad registered my finger position every bit how I imagined it would whereas the Samsung felt kinda sluggish in comparison.
I think that's something Apple has really nailed.
 
The older I get the less patient I become. Damn, I wish all future Helix Stadium products were available from day one. I really want the new features, but I‘m pretty sure the floor version just isn‘t the right thing for my use case. I need something that either fits on my desk or in my DAW. But I also don‘t want to wait several years for the Stadium SKU that suits my needs best.

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