Line 6 Helix Stadium Talk

[Whizzinby]

I died a little inside knowing he was going to join up with The Midnight for touring, but not wanting to be a hater, good for him…

 

[synthpenguin]

Does he have a favorite modeler or is he meh on most of them?

From watching a few videos over the years, I've gathered that he's used the HX Stomp for a while, at least for certain contexts, and I think he uses the QC for captures.

 

[JiveTurkey]

I died a little inside knowing he was going to join up with The Midnight for touring, but not wanting to be a hater, good for him…

 

[HotRats]

Being a big jubilee fan I like the addition.
I'd love to have it in the OG Helix but I already know it won't happen.

 

[marshall2553]

I've owned 2 Jubilee's (one from the 80's and a reissue). They're OK but pretty unremarkable amps. There are so so so many Marshalls that I think are better amps. I'd rank them somewhere on par with the 2210/2205, and a bit better than a TSL (although there's arguably more music I enjoy that was made using a TSL....)

Yeah. They just have a mystique due to the cool cosmetics and people like Slash, Frusciante, Bonamassa and Rich Robinson using them. They are cool amps, but not my favorite Marshall (despite my username ).

 

[Deadpan]

My Jubilee can go from butter to full on death metal when boosted.

Amazing amp.

 

[ejecta]

I died a little inside knowing he was going to join up with The Midnight for touring, but not wanting to be a hater, good for him…

I had no clue who they were and I looked up a few songs played live. No offense to those dig them.. if I were him I wouldn’t be telling anyone.

 

[ian_dissonance]

Oh shit, T Mac did a tear down.

I had no clue who they were and I looked up a few songs played live. No offense to those dig them.. if I were him I wouldn’t be telling anyone.

Yeah, why would you want to tell people about a tour doing pretty decent size theaters?

 

[MTB1973]

Oh shit, T Mac did a tear down.

Yeah, why would you want to tell people about a tour doing pretty decent size theaters?

Agree. I actually looked at dates in my area a few weeks ago. I like The Midnight

 

[Orvillain]

I feel bad for Eric and the team for this leak. But also, I'm genuinely very excited. All I know is.... the MKIIC+ on my Mark V is absolutely stonkin'.

I typically use the MKIV, but the MKIIC+ isn't very far away, and is definitely a tone I love.



If t sounds anything like this... phwoooarrrrrrr. Can't wait!

 

[Karl Houseknecht]

They seem pretty decent to me. I’d think most of us will never play a gig like that.

 

[Mongillo19]

I know this has been asked before but where the hell do I download the stadium desktop app? I go to Line 6 downloads and all I see are Line 6 central, firmware, and drivers.

 

[LP59]

I know this has been asked before but where the hell do I download the stadium desktop app? I go to Line 6 downloads and all I see are Line 6 central, firmware, and drivers.

It's confusing because it's not like Helix where you download an editor app. Instead you download "Helix Stadium".

 

[paisleywookiee]

I tried the Jube a few times IRL and don't like it but the aesthetics of it?

It’s a three trick pony that you can only dial in one at a time for. Kinda weird, but it’s definitely a fun amp, IMO.

 

[Mongillo19]

It's confusing because it's not like Helix where you download an editor app. Instead you download "Helix Stadium".

Thank you! Finally figured it out

 

[ejecta]

Oh shit, T Mac did a tear down.

Yeah, why would you want to tell people about a tour doing pretty decent size theaters?

Actually I say good on him on both the YouTube gig and this gig. Just didn’t dig the band but people like what they like. It’s all good.

 

[AlbertA]

It appears the taper for the feedback controls in the Crisscross delay block are not linear? I guess it's audio taper?

I needed ~43-45% feedback to emulate the Halo core feedback (with Andy's settings) but I need to use 65% in the crisscross feedback values to match it.

To elaborate, I used my notes for when I did this with the Axe-Fx III: https://forum.fractalaudio.com/threads/keeley-halo-take-2.185495/ and the attached Halo block diagram from Keeley.

This is a simplified block diagram for Halo core in wet-only mode using Andy's settings (the LFO phases for Delay B is not quite this, but close enough)

• Note the phase inversion in the cross-feedback from Delay A to B
• Note the phase inversion of the saturated and filtered signal at the input of Delay B.
• Note there's no cross feedback from Delay B to A.
• Note the modulation LFO phase between delay lines
  • 90 degrees between Delay A L and Delay B L
  • 90 degrees between Delay A R and Delay B R
  • 90 degrees between Delay A L and Delay A R
  • 90 degrees between Delay B L and Delay B R

Now here's a a simplified view of the Helix Stereo Crisscross delay block using the following settings:

• Pan A => Left 100
• Pan B => Right 100
• Shape => Sine
• Phase => 90%
• Mix => 100%

A couple of parallel crisscross blocks would be a good fit for emulating the Halo if we had the following additional options:

• Independently controlled cross-feedback for A => B and B => A
  • With independent controls, we would set B => A feedback to 0%.
• Phase reversal option on cross-feed path
• Phase reversal option on input L and/or input R

Since we don't actually have these options currently available, we have to do the cross-feed manually, so we can apply phase reversal and only cross-feedback from Delay 1 => Delay 2.

We can rearrange the Halo block diagram in terms of two dual mono delay blocks.
To preserve the modulation LFO phase relationships between all the 4 delay lines, we swap L/R at the input and output of Delay 2.

• Essentially we have 3 parallel paths:
  1. Input => Delay 1 (1/8 dotted) => output
  2. Input => Delay 1 (1/8 dotted) => Phase inversion => 50% level reduction => Delay 2 (1/4) => output
  3. Input => Phase inversion => Delay 2 (1/4) => output

• Ok, so then we should be able to use a couple of Helix Crisscross delay blocks, with cross-feed set to 0% - which turns them into dual mono delay blocks with the modulation we need.
• To reverse the phase and swap the L/R channels, we can use two "Stereo Width" blocks in series which have the option to swap channels and invert the phase of the R channel (after swapping).
  • 
  • 
• For saturation I ended up using a Deluxe Comp block with fast attach and release so it kinda approximates the static non-linearity used in the Halo
• For the lowpass filtering after saturation I used an EQ Tilt block

Now, I ran into some obstacles with routing - I couldn't quite figure out how to do the 3 parallel paths described above (+ the dry) without having to replicate the whole input chain. So that's what I had to do to get this to work.



I also noticed that the feedback controls in the Crisscross delay block are not linear taper (they appear to be audio taper) so a 43-45% feedback on a linear control maps to about ~65% on an audio taper.

I've attached the preset

 

[TheTrueZoltan!]

My Jubilee can go from butter to full on death metal when boosted.[…]

That‘s nothing special. Every amp can do full on death metal when boosted with an HM-2. ;-)

 

[DG80]

To elaborate, I used my notes for when I did this with the Axe-Fx III: https://forum.fractalaudio.com/threads/keeley-halo-take-2.185495/ and the attached Halo block diagram from Keeley.

This is a simplified block diagram for Halo core in wet-only mode using Andy's settings (the LFO phases for Delay B is not quite this, but close enough)
View attachment 55873

• Note the phase inversion in the cross-feedback from Delay A to B
• Note the phase inversion of the saturated and filtered signal at the input of Delay B.
• Note there's no cross feedback from Delay B to A.
• Note the modulation LFO phase between delay lines
  • 90 degrees between Delay A L and Delay B L
  • 90 degrees between Delay A R and Delay B R
  • 90 degrees between Delay A L and Delay A R
  • 90 degrees between Delay B L and Delay B R

Now here's a a simplified view of the Helix Stereo Crisscross delay block using the following settings:

• Pan A => Left 100
• Pan B => Right 100
• Shape => Sine
• Phase => 90%
• Mix => 100%

View attachment 55874

A couple of parallel crisscross blocks would be a good fit for emulating the Halo if we had the following additional options:

• Independently controlled cross-feedback for A => B and B => A
  • With independent controls, we would set B => A feedback to 0%.
• Phase reversal option on cross-feed path
• Phase reversal option on input L and/or input R

Since we don't actually have these options currently available, we have to do the cross-feed manually, so we can apply phase reversal and only cross-feedback from Delay 1 => Delay 2.

We can rearrange the Halo block diagram in terms of two dual mono delay blocks.
To preserve the modulation LFO phase relationships between all the 4 delay lines, we swap L/R at the input and output of Delay 2.
View attachment 55875

• Essentially we have 3 parallel paths:
  1. Input => Delay 1 (1/8 dotted) => output
  2. Input => Delay 1 (1/8 dotted) => Phase inversion => 50% level reduction => Delay 2 (1/4) => output
  3. Input => Phase inversion => Delay 2 (1/4) => output

• Ok, so then we should be able to use a couple of Helix Crisscross delay blocks, with cross-feed set to 0% - which turns them into dual mono delay blocks with the modulation we need.
• To reverse the phase and swap the L/R channels, we can use two "Stereo Width" blocks in series which have the option to swap channels and invert the phase of the R channel (after swapping).
  • View attachment 55876
  • View attachment 55877
• For saturation I ended up using a Deluxe Comp block with fast attach and release so it kinda approximates the static non-linearity used in the Halo
• For the lowpass filtering after saturation I used an EQ Tilt block

Now, I ran into some obstacles with routing - I couldn't quite figure out how to do the 3 parallel paths described above (+ the dry) without having to replicate the whole input chain. So that's what I had to do to get this to work.

View attachment 55881

I also noticed that the feedback controls in the Crisscross delay block are not linear taper (they appear to be audio taper) so a 43-45% feedback on a linear control maps to about ~65% on an audio taper.

The preset is attached (remove .pdf extension, I couldn't upload otherwise).

 

[DG80]

Not sure what I'm doing wrong here, but just came back to the Stadium, and added a stereo cab block, with one speaker left and another right.

Sounds great with one speaker, but as soon as I add the second, it turns into a fuzzy mess. Seems to happen no matter which speaker or mic is selected.

Anyone else come across this? I normally use IRs, but wanted to try the built-in cabs.

As a side note - any particularly magical dual cab combos for classic and hard rock are welcome :)