Line 6 Helix Stadium Pre-Launch Discussion

[bucephalus]

And no herpes. And for God sake, no clap.

Yeah, leave the clap to the audience.

 

[Orvillain]

No herpes, no clap.

 

[banned]

I actually want more genuine Line 6 amps. Anything they could think of, really. If the HX series was stripped down to just the ones available (possibly somewhat improved here and there), I'd be every bit as interested in the Stadium as ever before.

Instead of tons of new or agourafied amps, I'd really love to see more dirt pedals, especially of the weirder kind. Or of the killer kind.

And I'd defenitely love to have a Line-Six-ified version of the Top Secret OD, should offer more output volume (it's really low at moderate gain settings) and ideally a 3 band tone control (a pre-boost tight switch/control wouldn't harm in addition, either). Defnitely my most used dirt pedal out of the HX universe, but I pretty much always have to pair it with an additional post-EQ.

The combination of the Voltage and a Top Secret OD is my "first grab" for anything dirt. Not the tightest sound by any means, so possibly not suitable for metal, but there's some stoner goodness to be had, with a neck pickup it's coming along kinda fuzzy/wooly, the bridge pickup then gets things somewhat tighter very naturally and it cleans up as great as it gets IMO. Add a bit of compression from a Vetta Comp and there's a great lead tone. And it works like that with each and every of my guitars. Even deals with somewhat more complexed chords absolutely well.

Top Secret OD (DOD250) is fantastic - especially with cranked Marshalls. The two just meld into each other.

I also love the Voltage amp - it's not discussed much on forums but it's so cool - lovely feel.

 

[EOengineer]

I do like the Hx Trainwreck and am a fan of the original circuit in general. I’d think it’s the kind of circuit one might want to include eventually if they are showing off the increased dynamics and responsiveness of a new modeling engine.

It’s actually not a tremendous lift to grab a cheap 70s Bassman 50 (or BF Bassman clone) and mod it to trainwreck specs. It’s fairly common. I’m not going to rage quit over it but it’s definitely a circuit that would be interesting to audition in Agoura.

 

[GTR37]

I do like the Hx Trainwreck and am a fan of the original circuit in general. I’d think it’s the kind of circuit one might want to include eventually if they are showing off the increased dynamics and responsiveness of a new modeling engine.

It’s actually not a tremendous lift to grab a cheap 70s Bassman 50 (or BF Bassman clone) and mod it to trainwreck specs. It’s fairly common. I’m not going to rage quit over it but it’s definitely a circuit that would be interesting to audition in Agoura.

If I am not mistaken the amp they borrowed was from 65amps Dan Boul
I think some 65 amps have a TW circuit the closet thing these days is probably a Zwreck which is Ken Fisher / DRZ , Brad paisley collab kind on lower wattage

 

[GTR37]

I thought they might do a Badlander before the Jubilee, but who knows?

I don’t know Line6 has thrown some curveballs but outside this forum is a Badlander universally more requested or known than a Silver Jubillee

 

[mikah912]

I don’t know Line6 has thrown some curveballs but outside this forum is a Badlander universally more requested or known than a Silver Jubillee

I don't think they're that linear. Otherwise, why would a REVV make the launch lineup when the Dual Rec or Mesa Mark did not?

Notoriety and ubiquity play a role for sure, but they love doing stuff others haven't done yet (They were the first to model an Archon or REVV. They're still the only ones with Park and Grammatico amps, Peavey Invective or Sunn Model T).

So a Badlander is just their type of fun to get into. Most importantly, I do think they're going to want to add new and exclusive amps and effects to Stadium sooner rather than later to help combat the perception that the unit's sounds are just Helix 2.0, The Marketing Edition.

 

[Digital Igloo]

I actually want more genuine Line 6 amps.

I'm sure Sound Design will end up making Agoura Line 6 Originals. In the meantime, we shuffled all the existing Line 6 Originals in with all the other amps on Stadium, so they're no longer stuck at the end of the list.

So.... Showcase... How sexy do you think it would be able to get when hooked up to a laptop to control Resoluum Arena/Avenue for video synchronisation stuff?

What does it resolve to? At launch, Showcase will only transmit beat clock with or without MIDI > MMC flags (no SPP, MTC, or SMPTE, at least not right away).

 

[banned]

If I am not mistaken the amp they borrowed was from 65amps Dan Boul
I think some 65 amps have a TW circuit the closet thing these days is probably a Zwreck which is Ken Fisher / DRZ , Brad paisley collab kind on lower wattage

JM Wreck is the 'official' after Ken died. They're supposed to be very authentic - but they're expensive!

About – Trainwreck Circuits Official Homepage

Komet 60 also supposed to be good. ZWreck is nice but requires major volume to break-up. I played through Z-Wreck Jr. once but didn't get a chance to open it up. Oddly, there don't seem to be too many youtube clips on this amp. I would have thought that everyone would be all over a lower priced wreck amp.

Rhett also posted on this amateur amp recently which has Wreck characteristics -

 

[JiveTurkey]

Seems like a weird amp to be the hill to die upon.

 

[JiveTurkey]

I should also elaborate that I bet the real thing sounds FANTASTIC and I am sure the digital approximations are very good as well. But it seems like a TOTAL EXPERIENCE amp that listening through some "FRFR" turd or laptop speakers has zero chance in hell of ever recreating comparatively.

 

[mikah912]

I should also elaborate that I bet the real thing sounds FANTASTIC and I am sure the digital approximations are very good as well. But it seems like a TOTAL EXPERIENCE amp that listening through some "FRFR" turd or laptop speakers has zero chance in hell of ever recreating comparatively.

Agreed. If you like Trainwreck clips where a guy has it cranked in a room with a real cab, I don't see how you can compare any digital iteration unless you're running it through the exact same set up. And if you do that, then the real power amp and cab are likely factoring more into what you're hearing that whatever algorithm.

 

[banned]

Agreed. If you like Trainwreck clips where a guy has it cranked in a room with a real cab, I don't see how you can compare any digital iteration unless you're running it through the exact same set up. And if you do that, then the real power amp and cab are likely factoring more into what you're hearing that whatever algorithm.

That's how I play - power amp through cab - so that parts taken care of.

The modeled circuit matters a lot - this is a very sensitive and dynamic circuit with a lot of harmonics at play - the most tube-like amp that probably exists. It's like your hand is wired into the amp.

 

[mikah912]

That's how I play - power amp through cab - so that parts taken care of.

The modeled circuit matters a lot - this is a very sensitive and dynamic circuit with a lot of harmonics at play - the most tube-like amp that probably exists. It's like your hand is wired into the amp.

So then, your fingers, so to speak, will determine how happy you are with the final product, no?

I don't see that being so specific to Trainwrecks. Everyone has read or experienced stories like when various people picked up Eddie Van Halen's rig and couldn't sound like him if they tried. Or Nile Rodgers with his "bone tone". Or (fill in the blank with X artist) here.

 

[banned]

So then, your fingers, so to speak, will determine how happy you are with the final product, no?

I don't see that being so specific to Trainwrecks. Everyone has read or experienced stories like when various people picked up Eddie Van Halen's rig and couldn't sound like him if they tried. Or Nile Rodgers with his "bone tone". Or (fill in the blank with X artist) here.

What I'm saying is that I prefer Trainwreck style circuits - and it doesn't appear like we'll get one in Agoura.

 

[GTR37]

Seems like a weird amp to be the hill to die upon.

Is that not Timbuck3 favourite model , uh oh

 

[timbuck3]

Real bad is the only way I know how to play, luckily.

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[Frodebro]

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[sashimi]

 

[Frodebro]

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