Line 6 Helix Stadium Pre-Launch Discussion

[Fireproof]

Eh... Let's treat the first list less like "confirmed by Digital Igloo" and more like "fingers crossed, clenched teeth, something might need to go if we want to come anywhere close to the fabricated shipping date some dealers have been sharing."

Basically: Do you want everything on the list by the tail end of Fall (hopefully) or a slightly truncated list earlier, given that the missing items would be made available in a firmware update by the tail end of Fall (again, hopefully)?

I'd be in even just for the new hardware.

Pretty sure most people - myself included - are going to pick the option that gets them the hardware the soonest. I know it's not your ideal, but there's a great amount of trust and goodwill you, Frank and the team have built up over the past 10 years.

In other words, we're down for option 2. Even if the missing items arrive in an over-the-air firmware update on launch day or a few weeks after.

Agreed with the above!

My vote (and hope) is to get Stadium XL in my hands, with as much as can be in it, before the U.S. Thanksgiving holiday (so I can play with it over my extended break).

WiFi updating the minute I start it up the first time is no biggie - I’m sure it’ll be easy peasy.

 

[mikah912]

Personally if it is Showcase that is holding up the show I suspect many would be ok to wait a month or 2 for that in an update
I am only speaking for myself but I would rather have it ship with Agoura stuff , focus view
And you said there was also some surprises and stuff you have not discussed
But again that me I am not touring and need to automate my show others might feel differently

*** if one surprise is A Badlander model I a sure TGP is ok with it as is

Complete guesswork here on my part, but the "loading your own songs and add markers for specific snapshots or presets" functionality is probably the barebones version working currently, whereas the "Break it into stems and let it isolate or amplify certain tracks" is probably the more intensive and tricky to get bug-free bit they're trying to wrestle into 1.0 shape.

I would wager they'd be fine shelving that out of launch day and shoring it up for "early next year"

 

[AZG]

Eh... Let's treat the first list less like "confirmed by Digital Igloo" and more like "fingers crossed, clenched teeth, something might need to go if we want to come anywhere close to the fabricated shipping date some dealers have been sharing."

Basically: Do you want everything on the list by the tail end of Fall (hopefully) or a slightly truncated list earlier, given that the missing items would be made available in a firmware update by the tail end of Fall (again, hopefully)?

To play devils advocate, do you really want to follow NDSP footsteps and release something half baked and then spend the next year or so listening to people rage about missing promised features? Guessing it will also increase returns. Hard call in my opinion.

Personally I would rather wait for a product that’s more fully baked.

 

[Mongillo19]

To play devils advocate, do you really want to follow NDSP footsteps and release something half baked and then spend the next year or so listening to people rage about missing promised features? Guessing it will also increase returns. Hard call in my opinion.

Personally I would rather wait for a product that’s more fully baked.

I don't think people would have had a problem with NDSP if it was what, still 3 years?, out and they still don't have their launch quota met

Id still argue majority don't care when it comes to NDSP. It takes following along on forums and social media to see the debacle.

 

[mbenigni]

Eh... Let's treat the first list less like "confirmed by Digital Igloo" and more like "fingers crossed, clenched teeth, something might need to go if we want to come anywhere close to the fabricated shipping date some dealers have been sharing."

Basically: Do you want everything on the list by the tail end of Fall (hopefully) or a slightly truncated list earlier, given that the missing items would be made available in a firmware update by the tail end of Fall (again, hopefully)?

The latter. Also, I want the non-XL version to ship ahead of the XL version.

 

[StarF666]

L6 didn't start from scratch but from Helix 3.80.

 

[GTR37]

To play devils advocate, do you really want to follow NDSP footsteps and release something half baked and then spend the next year or so listening to people rage about missing promised features? Guessing it will also increase returns. Hard call in my opinion.

Personally I would rather wait for a product that’s more fully baked.

I thought of that but Line6 has so much more Cred Than that
The fact that DI is openly saying we may not be able to get this at launch is much more transparent than NDSP ever was , also the timeline for L6 to add stuff and their proven track record kind of ends any comparison to the NDSP launch IMO

 

[mikah912]

To play devils advocate, do you really want to follow NDSP footsteps and release something half baked and then spend the next year or so listening to people rage about missing promised features? Guessing it will also increase returns. Hard call in my opinion.

Personally I would rather wait for a product that’s more fully baked.

Most top-tier modelers have not shipped "fully baked" in the past several years.

FM3: Missing headphone jack and abundant USB issues
Helix: No editor or snapshots
Fender ToneMaster Pro: No scenes, no mobile control app, the desktop editor and a ton of amps and effects were only added in OTA day-one update
Quad Cortex:........

You see my point.

 

[GTR37]

The latter. Also, I want the non-XL version to ship ahead of the XL version.

The good news is is if they get the XL out by say November and the regular stadium ships a few months later you will likely get and update or 2 already installed or ready for you day one

 

[Digital Igloo]

I thought of that but Line6 has so much more Cred Than that
The fact that DI is openly saying we may not be able to get this at launch is much more transparent than NDSP ever was , also the timeline for L6 to add stuff and their proven track record kind of ends any comparison to the NDSP launch IMO

Maybe? More like instead of waiting until the very last day of fall—which I would personally prefer—we'd be able to release the product earlier than expected, except missing one or two things (which could hopefully still be added within the fall window).

 

[mikah912]

Maybe? More like instead of waiting until the very last day of fall—which I would personally prefer—we'd be able to release the product earlier than expected, except missing one or two things (which could hopefully still be added within the fall window).

Given that the very last day of fall is basically Christmas week, wouldn't that be a nightmare shipping window (obviously, you'd have it into retailers well before that week, but nightmare for customers is what I mean)?

 

[timbuck3]

Oh BTW: I was in Chicago last week, and it came to my attention that this is a thing:

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Very concerning.

Wtf?

 

[timbuck3]

Agreed with the above!

My vote (and hope) is to get Stadium XL in my hands, with as much as can be in it, before the U.S. Thanksgiving holiday (so I can play with it over my extended break).

WiFi updating the minute I start it up the first time is no biggie - I’m sure it’ll be easy peasy.

Me too getting xl and I am also going for the next fractal when it arrives in an fm9 style. 2026 is my year to spend$$

 

[Frodebro]

Any estimation on a release date for the Stomp form factor with double the processing power of an Axe FX for $399?

 

[timbuck3]

Me too getting xl and I am also going for the next fractal when it arrives in an fm9 style. 2026 is my year to spend$$

I was hot on the tmp but can’t trust gender like I can line6 and fractal

 

[Frodebro]

I was hot on the tmp but can’t trust gender like I can line6 and fractal

Helluva typo there, dude.

 

[Dez]

The latter. Also, I want the non-XL version to ship ahead of the XL version.

I’m drooling over that non-XL version lol

 

[Frodebro]

I’m drooling over that non-XL version lol

You and me both.

 

[Richard_G]

I'm leaning towards preferring the non-XL version. With scribble strips on the non-XL, the choice would have been easy. Which probably is the/a reason there are no scribble strips on the non-XL version.

 

[Lysander]

To play devils advocate, do you really want to follow NDSP footsteps and release something half baked and then spend the next year or so listening to people rage about missing promised features? Guessing it will also increase returns. Hard call in my opinion.

I was there when the QC first launched. No one really complained until it became (painfully) obvious how promises were never going to be fulfilled.