I've been using YouLean and SPAN to level match my presets, but the treblier stuff seems to usually read much higher than my percieved loudness, have you got any better tricks?
And then something else: No matter the gig, no matter how well you leveled your patches beforehand, chances are things won't come out as great on the gig.
For some reason clean tones always will sound louder --- whether level matched or not. Followed
by edge of breakup and medium gain tones. I find with higher gain tones I have to increase by a
dB or two to compensate. Must have something to do with the compression that clipping introduces.
I have had only a handful of gigs where everything was perfect from the first note.
Same here. But that's been gigs where everything was rehearsed pretty much ad nauseum under live conditions (mainly theatre musicals but also a big cover show project I was involved in for several years). Anything else is hit or miss.
Fwiw, IMO that's one of the reasons why guitarists using modelers often don't sound that great live. It's not because they're sounding bad or anything, it's simply because with most all-in-one units adjusting sounds to suit the gig's and/or venue's conditions is incredibly difficult, especially once you're using multiple patches.
With my hybrid setup, it's every bit as in the old days. Clean sound not loud enough? Adjust one single knob, done. In case I turned it up too much, it's a matter of a second to take some bits back.
Now, with a modeler using a clean sound across various patches, it becomes a super tedious thing. Load patch 1, adjust, save. Load patch 2, adjust (ideally by the same amount), save. Patch 3, 4, 5, etc. Depending on the number of patches, this might be doable during soundcheck. But what if you need a song or two to notice you've overdone things? No way to ever get back because that can't be done during the gig (whereas dialing back a single analog knob is a pretty trivial and unobtrusive thing).
As long as one's relative volume and EQ balance of clean to dirty are good, which should be ironed out in rehearsal,
What @Sascha Franck said ;-)
my personal workarounds/things to deal with it:
a global volume pedal post gain controlling a 70% to 100% volume range.
a global switch boosting for solos…about 6 db
an expression pedal controlling wet/dry
per sound/preset both an “add gain“ switch…as well as a “reduce gain” Switch
global eq on my feed to poweramp
and..I play my analog(ish) board more often to avoid hving to store stuff for quick fixes….and have knobs in sight to dial
i just use the ch vol on the amp block for each snapshot.
Not sure which modeler you use, but a lot of this stuff has global controls on the FM3:
Different amp channels don't.
In my gigging lifetime, soundchecks never offered enough time to really build sounds from scratch.
But everyone has their own system, not saying yours is wrong, what works works.
Who says I'm doing that? Look at my pedalboard above. Usually all parameters stay in similar positions anyway, but before I'm packing for a gig I check everything and do pre-adjustments. As easy as that.
It's not even a "system". It's what people have been doing for decades. It's just that all-in-one modelers fail to replicate that more or less completely (minus the two offering global blocks, namely the Axe FX and the GT-1000 - but it's still requiring some menu diving or tinkering with external MIDI knob controllers).
That particular list is probably possible with a lot of modelers. My kemper can do it, my GT core can do it (if paired with a midicontroller…and my analog board also is setup with it. Many ways to Rome these days ;-)Not sure which modeler you use, but a lot of this stuff has global controls on the FM3: