Kemper Profiler MK 2

[Dimiguitar]

Another thing that one could wish to improve with the new profiling is the ability to capture multiple distorting stages.

There's been talk of so-called "cocked wah". Here's where the effect comes from, in my experience: take an amp and heavily distort the preamp. Then start introducing power amp distortion.

It won't happen in every case, but in many you'll find a point where the Kemper goes "quack" and starts to feel and sound like a crybaby. I've had this happen with plenty of amps.

If I recall correctly, Kemper line from the mods before was that hardly anybody uses tones which utilize such a signal chain/amp settings, if this concerns preamp and power amp gain.

But, being a human being, and having tastes of my own, I happen to like some tones of this kind. It is, at times, a very fine balance between preamp and power amp gain to find the sweet spot for me, depending on the amp. And it's hard to predict where exactly Kemper begins quacking out.

For example with my orange, this happened before the point that I consider the sweet spot for my taste.

If this is improved, it will be welcome, additionally to general accuracy.

 

[Dimiguitar]

And that would also improve capturing chains with distorting pedals (when you also have other distorting stages), potentially including pedal stacking. So it's not only about preamp and power amp distortion.

I suspect this won't work if the new profiling is just a more sophisticated EQ match, but it may be more than that.

 

[paisleywookiee]

And that would also improve capturing chains with distorting pedals (when you also have other distorting stages), potentially including pedal stacking. So it's not only about preamp and power amp distortion.

I suspect this won't work if the new profiling is just a more sophisticated EQ match, but it may be more than that.

Well, if they’re smart, the on-computer profiling is also some sort of machine learning, to get a more advanced/nuanced capture to account for stuff like this.
But Christoph Kemper seems like the kind of guy who invites others to smell his fart, so who knows.

 

[Dimiguitar]

Well, if they’re smart, the on-computer profiling is also some sort of machine learning, to get a more advanced/nuanced capture to account for stuff like this.
But Christoph Kemper seems like the kind of guy who invites others to smell his fart, so who knows.

I think over the years there's been some real CK fart sniffing on the part of the online Kemper community itself, to the point where people spent substantial time arguing against having new features, over and over. I eventually begun to believe some view the Kemper toaster as their romantic partner. It made more sense that way.

But eventually Kemper themselves did release an editor, floor unit, even tone stack modelling. So they do respond to market demand eventually (and more) even if it takes a while. So here we are with, if the heavens allow, improved profiling too.

I am not an EE or whatever Orvillain is (he explained earlier in the thread but my non-engineer brain only remembers he's an aliasing-something). I don't understand half of the technical things he or the EE person say. But I do care about accuracy, not just "sounding good".

 

[Orvillain]

I am not an EE or whatever Orvillain is (he explained earlier in the thread but my non-engineer brain only remembers he's an aliasing-something). I don't understand half of the technical things he or the EE person say. But I do care about accuracy, not just "sounding good".

lol I'm not an EE. I think the wanky LinkedIn term is "polymath" - but it really just means I'm interested in lots of things, can turn my hand to many things, but I'm really unlikeable and drowning in ADHD and suicidal ideation.

Typical guitarist then, really.

 

[Dimiguitar]

lol I'm not an EE. I think the wanky LinkedIn term is "polymath" - but it really just means I'm interested in lots of things, can turn my hand to many things, but I'm really unlikeable and drowning in ADHD and suicidal ideation.

Typical guitarist then, really.

Oh I was referring to OnEng as the EE specifically, and you the aliasing-something, but my wording was unclear :) Was at the beach thinking of death stranding 2 and the impending doom of all existence (meaning I can relate to the ideation).

 

[Orvillain]

I'm really good at derailing threads, self deprecation, but I hate beaches.

 

[Dimiguitar]

I'm really good at derailing threads, self deprecation, but I hate beaches.

What do you hate about them?

 

[Orvillain]

What do you hate about them?

Mostly the sand. And the water. And the people. Mostly the people. Oh, and the creepy aliens washing up ashore.

 

[JiveTurkey]

I've had this thread poster on ignore for a while as a workaround to having to see this garbage pile reappear in my feed


Have I missed anything or is still a whole lot of nothing?

 

[Dimiguitar]

Mostly the sand. And the water. And the people. Mostly the people. Oh, and the creepy aliens washing up ashore.

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[LP59]

I've had this thread poster on ignore for a while as a workaround to having to see this garbage pile reappear in my feed


Have I missed anything or is still a whole lot of nothing?

Kemper announced a new paint job and a firmware update with new profiling that is coming this summer, but they haven't said what is new about the profiling or if it's better than the current profiling.

So, yes, nothing, yet here we are, 168 pages later.

 

[Orvillain]

Kemper announced a new paint job and a firmware update with new profiling that is coming this summer, but they haven't said what is new about the profiling or if it's better than the current profiling.

So, yes, nothing, yet here we are, 168 pages later.

But the real boredom was the friends we made along the way!

 

[Jarick]

I'm really good at derailing threads, self deprecation, but I hate beaches.

Just got back from walking the dog to the beach. There was certainly a lot to like down there today!

 

[Orvillain]

Just got back from walking the dog to the beach. There was certainly a lot to like down there today!

 

[riffy]

Without thinking too hard NDSP is the gold standard. I don’t ever really get lost or bogged down using it, pretty easy to get a sound and move on. I guess If you took that and tweaked it a bit you could land on some improvements. Maybe you could have a window below the amp to have the pre/post stomps/eq pages so you can keep the big amp up there while tweaking. You’d probably still want a dedicated view for the cab section but it’s some idea.

Most amp sims are alternated of NDSP, I guess the other style is more block based like amplitube, cortex control, TMP, axe edit and helix style. I’m probably used to axe edit on a computer but out of all I’ve tried I find axe edit the best with mouse and keyboard if you wanted to go that block style route for some reason.

If I was designing an amp sim I’d probably lean on the NDSP layout and really focus on the best amp modelling possible paired with competent/authentic IRs. I’d also heavily focus on graphics and UI to look quality. Id also make sure the default preset sounds great across 10-20-30 peoples setups, so when someone first opens it their first impression is top notch.

From there I’d look to amps that haven’t been modelled 1000 times and try to tribute whatever’s being modelled so you’re really paying homage to that plugin (if I was doing Orange stuff I’d lean into it with IRs of 1x12, 2x12, 4x12 cabs. Also have some color schemes like the black model skins for the amps/cabs etc).

lol I'm not an EE. I think the wanky LinkedIn term is "polymath" - but it really just means I'm interested in lots of things, can turn my hand to many things, but I'm really unlikeable and drowning in ADHD and suicidal ideation.

Typical guitarist then, really.

You are most definitely not unlikable!

 

[Dimiguitar]

You are most definitely not unlikable!

Thing is: calling oneself unlikable can make them more likable, considering many of us have the experience of an internal judging voice roaming in our heads.

The way I see it, Orvillain's self-deprecating characterization practically invites the empathy we may have trouble directing towards ourselves (at times) and guides it the way of another person, which many find easier to do.

But I also view it as a reminder to be kind towards oneself -- a reminder of that possibilty.

 

[Enchilada Jones]

I'm really good at derailing threads, self deprecation, but I hate beaches.

Well on the upside you are pretty good/ interesting musician and composer….for cunt anyway…so kind of a stereotypical rockstar

 

[Orvillain]

Well on the upside you are pretty good/ interesting musician and composer….for cunt anyway…so kind of a stereotypical rockstar

cheers mum