Kemper Profiler MK 2

[Jarick]

I find it a wild defense anyway. If I had a ToneX pedal (I don't!) and I wanted a decent reverb, I've got my pick of about a gajillion pedals out there in the world, and the footprint would still be smaller than Kemper. So I don't really see where this new line of inquiry takes us, other than into another area where we can subjectively weigh up the pro's and cons. Like ... great.... good tactic guise!!!

No, it's a hard stop fail if it doesn't meet the requirements.

I'm a project manager by day. The first thing I have to do with a project is to gather the requirements. Let's say my requirements are to implement software that can send invoices to customers and track their payments. I come back with software that is the most advanced invoicing on the market, but it doesn't track payments. I failed in my delivery because I didn't meet the requirements.

Scale it back to the pedals. Someone wants a product that can capture their collection of amps so they can run direct to the board, plus they want a suite of effects, they want to be able to hit a switch and be able to change their amp sound and effects. And they want it all in one so it's easy to set up and they don't have to mess around with building a pedal board with patch cables and a power supply and a MIDI switcher and all that.

If I come up to them with a pedal board that has Tonex plus a delay pedal and a reverb pedal and a couple drive pedals, guess what I've done? I've failed to meet their requirements. What could I have done? Brought a Kemper, or a Quad Cortex, or a Headrush Prime. All those would meet the requirements.

Now if my requirement was to find a device to get as dead on accurate as possible to recreate the amps? I'm probably going to reach for a Tonex or possibly a Quad/Nano Cortex (UI is much better and can capture on the device itself).

No amount of deflection or martyrdom or insults is going to change the fact that people are projecting their requirements on others and getting pissed off that other people have different requirements and preferences.

 

[Enchilada Jones]

Calling people jihadists is a bit too far for me to be honest. But yknow... you do you.

For fucks sake man! Look it up.
‘A struggle’ is what it means.

“the spiritual struggle within oneself against sin.”
I’m implying that a dogmatic adherent to accurately recreating a guitar amp sound would be well served by what the Kone has to contribute.

I’m not a ten year old on the playground trying to get a rise out of a brown skinned schoolmate.
Are you?

 

[Orvillain]

No, it's a hard stop fail if it doesn't meet the requirements.

I'm a project manager by day. The first thing I have to do with a project is to gather the requirements. Let's say my requirements are to implement software that can send invoices to customers and track their payments. I come back with software that is the most advanced invoicing on the market, but it doesn't track payments. I failed in my delivery because I didn't meet the requirements.

Scale it back to the pedals. Someone wants a product that can capture their collection of amps so they can run direct to the board, plus they want a suite of effects, they want to be able to hit a switch and be able to change their amp sound and effects. And they want it all in one so it's easy to set up and they don't have to mess around with building a pedal board with patch cables and a power supply and a MIDI switcher and all that.

If I come up to them with a pedal board that has Tonex plus a delay pedal and a reverb pedal and a couple drive pedals, guess what I've done? I've failed to meet their requirements. What could I have done? Brought a Kemper, or a Quad Cortex, or a Headrush Prime. All those would meet the requirements.

Now if my requirement was to find a device to get as dead on accurate as possible to recreate the amps? I'm probably going to reach for a Tonex or possibly a Quad/Nano Cortex (UI is much better and can capture on the device itself).

No amount of deflection or martyrdom or insults is going to change the fact that people are projecting their requirements on others and getting pissed off that other people have different requirements and preferences.

I've managed software projects for years, I like to think I have some experience in this area.

It isn't my requirements that a capture platform be accurate. That all came from Kemper themselves.

 

[Orvillain]

For fucks sake man! Look it up.
‘A struggle’ is what it means.

“the spiritual struggle within oneself against sin.”
I’m implying that a dogmatic adherent to accurately recreating a guitar amp sound would be well served by what the Kone has to contribute.

I’m not a ten year old on the playground trying to get a rise out of a brown skinned schoolmate.
Are you?

Are you seriously asserting that the word jihad doesn't come with a shit ton of negative connotations?

I fucking called you 100% accurately - you're a seriously bad faith person.

 

[Jarick]

I've managed software projects for years, I like to think I have some experience in this area.

It isn't my requirements that a capture platform be accurate. That all came from Kemper themselves.

If you have a beef with Kemper I'd suggest you go argue with them.

 

[Orvillain]

If you have a beef with Kemper I'd suggest you go argue with them.

Been there, done that. Exchanged a bunch of useless emails with Christophe.

 

[paisleywookiee]

No, it's a hard stop fail if it doesn't meet the requirements.

I'm a project manager by day. The first thing I have to do with a project is to gather the requirements. Let's say my requirements are to implement software that can send invoices to customers and track their payments. I come back with software that is the most advanced invoicing on the market, but it doesn't track payments. I failed in my delivery because I didn't meet the requirements.

Scale it back to the pedals. Someone wants a product that can capture their collection of amps so they can run direct to the board, plus they want a suite of effects, they want to be able to hit a switch and be able to change their amp sound and effects. And they want it all in one so it's easy to set up and they don't have to mess around with building a pedal board with patch cables and a power supply and a MIDI switcher and all that.

If I come up to them with a pedal board that has Tonex plus a delay pedal and a reverb pedal and a couple drive pedals, guess what I've done? I've failed to meet their requirements. What could I have done? Brought a Kemper, or a Quad Cortex, or a Headrush Prime. All those would meet the requirements.

Now if my requirement was to find a device to get as dead on accurate as possible to recreate the amps? I'm probably going to reach for a Tonex or possibly a Quad/Nano Cortex (UI is much better and can capture on the device itself).

No amount of deflection or martyrdom or insults is going to change the fact that people are projecting their requirements on others and getting pissed off that other people have different requirements and preferences.

I’m glad you’re defining what is acceptable and not acceptable in your “project”.

 

[BenIfin]

F.f.s ... I've been spending some time on some threads at T.O.P and it seems to me that this thread has come to epitomize the very thing that T.G.F was seeking to get away from and avoid ... and to be fair, I haven't seen a thread so pointlessly and deeply f*cked-up as this one at T.O.P for quite a while .... just my 2c

 

[Orvillain]

I've been spending some time on some threads at T.O.P and it seems to me that this thread has come to epitomize the very thing that T.G.F was seeking to get away from and avoid ... and to be fair, I haven't seen a thread as f*cked-up as this one at T.O.P for quite a while .... just my 2c

Yeah, and equally, when I went away for 4 days, it didn't change. Before anyone wants to pin me as the issue.

 

[DrewJD82]

I thought the Mark clip was a result of Paisley's comments on the Kemper

I'm pretty sure a couple of us have said that yes, the 1st one sounds like crap compared to the 2nd one.


It definitely could be aliasing causing the cloudy nasty mid-range in the first clip, sure. I'll say that if it makes you feel better.


I don't know man, you've been arguing that this whole time. Why change?!

TBF, I personally wouldn't say the first clip sounded like ass and there's no way in hell I'd know one were an amp sim if I didn't hear them back to back. I'm still not even sure I/we were correct.

 

[Enchilada Jones]

Are you seriously asserting that the word jihad doesn't come with a shit ton of negative connotations?

I fucking called you 100% accurately - you're a seriously bad faith person.

I’ve been using the word jihad accurately since before the invention of Fox News. I learned it from some who practices it.

You had to change the word to ‘Jihadist’ so that it would better fit your feigned-outrage-distraction.
And then you have the balls to accuse me of bad faith. More projection from you…

If the Kone tech wasn’t created by Kemper you could easily say ‘Sure it’s cool but not for me’. Instead you had to be totally against it. As in on a crusade to fight all things Kemper.
Oops! I guess in your mind I just called you a Christian.

You behave like a child always on the verge of throwing a tantrum.

 

[Orvillain]

TBF, I personally wouldn't say the first clip sounded like ass and there's no way in hell I'd know one were an amp sim if I didn't hear them back to back. I'm still not even sure I/we were correct.

The fact that we've not yet been told which was which, is strongly hinting to me that the 1st was Kemper, and the 2nd was the real amp.

 

[paisleywookiee]

F.f.s ... I've been spending some time on some threads at T.O.P and it seems to me that this thread has come to epitomize the very thing that T.G.F was seeking to get away from and avoid ... and to be fair, I haven't seen a thread so pointlessly and deeply f*cked-up as this one at T.O.P for quite a while .... just my 2c

Yeah, two recent TGP imports with undying fanboyism and a reading comprehension problem tends to do that.

 

[Jarick]

I’m glad you’re defining what is acceptable and not acceptable in your “project”.

So what would make you happy? If all Kemper users sold theirs?

 

[Orvillain]

I’ve been using the word jihad accurately since before the invention of Fox News. I learned it from some who practices it.

You had to change the word to ‘Jihadist’ so that it would better fit your feigned-outrage-distraction.
And then you have the balls to cause me of bad faith. More projection from you…

If the Kone tech wasn’t created by Kemper you could easily say ‘Sure it’s cool but not for me’. Instead you had to be totally against it. As in on a crusade to fight all things Kemper.
Oops! I guess in your mind I just called you a Christian.

You behave like a child on the verge of throwing a tantrum.

If your goal is to be taken seriously and to be well understood, choose better words.

 

[paisleywookiee]

So what would make you happy? If all Kemper users sold theirs?

If you’ve read the thread, like you claimed to have, you’d know I said exactly the opposite thing

 

[Orvillain]

If the Kone tech wasn’t created by Kemper you could easily say ‘Sure it’s cool but not for me’. Instead you had to be totally against it.

And if we're going to get personal, this isn't even fucking accurate, you thoroughly stupid person.

I clearly said, in reference to the Kone tech:

I can't speak to that particular use case or USP, because it doesn't - and hasn't ever - interested me.

Instead of being so butt-hurt that you have to imply that people are extremists, maybe actually learn to read, and tackle the SUBSTANCE - not the low hanging fruit, like you have been doing.

 

[Enchilada Jones]

Instead of being so butt-hurt that you have to imply that people are extremists, maybe actually learn to read, and tackle the SUBSTANCE - not the low hanging fruit, like you have been doing.

accuracy matters, remember? I implied you have an extremely selective loyalty to accuracy and did so in the context of the substance of the tech. I didn't call you a terrorist.
Extremist? Yes, you are extremely and routinely belligerent.

I was amused in the way you went back to add poo emojis to your previous responses and how you continue to cling to your feigned indignation like child hiding under the bedcovers.

So if you don't want your low hanging fruit to be an issue perhaps you could keep it to yourself?

I will bow out as I've pushed this envelope too far already and you get to be you...so its all good (enough) right?

 

[Orvillain]

Extremist? Yes, you are extremely and routinely belligerent.

I roll with the vibe I receive. You've been combatitve and rude since I first expressed my opinion on the Kemper. In the older threads too. You're extremely defensive

I was amused in the way you went back to add poo emojis to your previous responses and how you continue to cling to your feigned indignation like child hiding under the bedcovers.

lmao. Whose the child now?

So if you don't want your low hanging fruit to be an issue perhaps you could keep it to yourself?

When I say low hanging fruit, what I mean is, you take the easy route, every single time. You're obsessed with tone policing and tackling minutiea, while deliberately avoiding the substance of anything I or anyone else says.

I will bow out as I've pushed this envelope too far already and you get to be you...so its all good (enough) right?

Yeah, you've done this before too. Dropped a few grenades, kicked off a fight, didn't like that people didn't just acquiesce to your opinions, and then pulled the faux-neutral "I'll bow out now" stuff.

Big belly lol at you fella.

 

[TheTrueZoltan!]

…that my capturer/profiler is more accurate than yours?