Kemper Profiler MK 2

[Dom Mcsweeney]

Here is just one sample:

I can hear strange artifact noises in this example that I didn't like, and wouldn't want, personally.

 

[Dom Mcsweeney]

One person's thought is far from saying the Kemper can't do high gain well.

it's a scientific test, rather than an opinion
NAM vs Real amp: -40 lufs
Kemper vs Real amp: -28 lufs

That isn't opinion, it's a data point.

 

[Mongillo19]

it's a scientific test, rather than an opinion
NAM vs Real amp: -40 lufs
Kemper vs Real amp: -28 lufs

That isn't opinion, it's a data point.

WE ONLY SUPPORT DATA THAT ALIGNS WITH OUR VIEWS

 

[Dom Mcsweeney]

I can hear strange artifact noises in this example that I didn't like, and wouldn't want, personally.

 

[JiveTurkey]

Kemper in most cases has pleasing disembodied distortion. Helix does not.

 

[Mongillo19]

Also some additional thoughts on Profiling 2. If it does test much better, what does that mean for all the packs out there using Profiling 1? Obviously if you liked them before it doesn't change anything but I feel as if it might upset the massive ecosystem Kemper has built. Another reason I guess why I'm skeptical

 

[[Nathan]]

Also some additional thoughts on Profiling 2. If it does test much better, what does that mean for all the packs out there using Profiling 1? Obviously if you liked them before it doesn't change anything but I feel as if it might upset the massive ecosystem Kemper has built. Another reason I guess why I'm skeptical

Massive opportunity to sell more packs obviously. I bet IK can’t wait to launch tonex 2 and get those v2 packs rolling!

 

[AFKAEjay(retired)]

it's a scientific test, rather than an opinion
NAM vs Real amp: -40 lufs
Kemper vs Real amp: -28 lufs

That isn't opinion, it's a data point.

The question is to what point are differences in outcomes relevant?
In other words, to what point does it represent a difference a user can percieve?

For sure there is a point beyond which it doesn’t matter anymore…is that the -40 of nam?…or Kempers -28…or higher -80?…idnk.

I think that’s where the “opinion part” kicks in again, not about the data, but what to read from it.

 

[paisleywookiee]

Kemper in most cases has pleasing disembodied distortion. Helix does not.

Helix sounds better than the Kemper. There, I said it.

 

[JiveTurkey]

Helix sounds better than the Kemper. There, I said it.

 

[Dom Mcsweeney]

I'm happy for anyone who enjoys their kemper as of right now - but that's besides the point.

You gotta remember that even Kemper themselves have just admitted that they need to improve.
If not, they wouldn't have written this:

Don't get me wrong, I'm very much rooting for them.

 

[paisleywookiee]

If you having trouble dialing in good patches, I can help you. I won't even charge my usual fees.

 

[Mongillo19]

If you having trouble dialing in good patches, I can help you. I won't even charge my usual fees.

1 Mac Book Pro

 

[GTR37]

Massive opportunity to sell more packs obviously. I bet IK can’t wait to launch tonex 2 and get those v2 packs rolling!

100% this could be like the best summer for HW yet
The remastered tonejunkie collection store reopening

 

[2dor]

One person's thought is far from saying the Kemper can't do high gain well.

All of them crap out on hi-gain tones that are more scooped in nature or if the amp's got Jose clipping diodes engaged. Only tech that is able to do that stuff justice is NAM (and IT still struggles to hit them low ESR numbers on some cases - still, it's audibly, & measurable, the closest).

 

[Dom Mcsweeney]

The question is to what point are differences in outcomes relevant?
In other words, to what point does it represent a difference a user can percieve?

For sure there is a point beyond which it doesn’t matter anymore…is that the -40 of nam?…or Kempers -28…or higher -80?…idnk.

I think that’s where the “opinion part” kicks in again, not about the data, but what to read from it.

Yeah sure. I mean, what matters next is subjective. It entirely depends on what you want to take from that test result, and if you even care.

It's measurements that matter though, especially at these varying levels of accuracy, if one company is going to boldly claim they are now finally offering an even more precise profiler.

 

[Mongillo19]

All of them crap out on hi-gain tones that are more scooped in nature or if the amp's got Jose clipping diodes engaged. Only tech that is able to do that stuff justice is NAM (and IT still struggles to hit them low ESR numbers on some cases - still, it's audibly the closest).

Yeah I have yet to find a faithful recreation of a Mark series amp with scooped EQ (in capture world)

I feel like FAS does quite well with it

 

[Funk Soul Brother]

Nobody talked about that horrible and persistent cocked wha tone on all profiles??

Can you post some examples? I keep reading this but there's very little examples of it. For me it's something that might've been present in some profiles and then turned into a buzzword. Every bit the way you're using it, because "on all profiles" is just nonsense.

Yep, that too!

Do your own search or go to the kemper forum.

The cocked wha problem is mentioned since the beginning and one of the major complaints

 

[Orvillain]

The question is to what point are differences in outcomes relevant?
In other words, to what point does it represent a difference a user can percieve?

Some people can perceive it. Some people can't, or won't even try. That doesn't mean the differences aren't there, and more importantly, it doesn't mean the differences don't affect the final tone.

 

[MirrorProfiles]

It’s not just high gain tones Kemper’s struggle with. I could not get it to capture my Selmer Treble & Bass right as a direct model, it would come out totally wrong every time.

It’s OK at getting in the ballpark, but even CPU intensive high epoch custom architecture NAM models aren’t perfect and they’re a hell of a lot closer than Kemper profiles can get. Whether it matters is another question, it’s sort of like the input level thing where if you don’t care about accuracy, then anything can work.