Kemper Profiler MK 2

[Orvillain]

There is a flip side to the argument/assertion that those who say ‘it’s close enough to not matter’ are the ones who would be ‘screaming case closed it’s as accurate as possible pope Leo just tested it!’

That is those who make that hypothetical hypocrisy indictment are the same ones who would audition a new guitarist, love the way he sounds and brag to their peers about the great sounding player that just joined the band….and then when they saw that great sounding player breaking down his rig after a great sounding show, where he was pulling a Kemper Toaster out of the otherwise empty Marshall head shell that was hiding the Kemper on top of his cab… revealing the great sounding player was using a Kemper profiler the whole time…

Well ‘those’ same people would suddenly swear their new guitarist player was terrible…sounds like shit…very inauthentic tonez that require he be fired immediately.

Except you have zero evidence for that completely dreamt up scenario, which is not true in the other case.

 

[Orvillain]

And see that's the thing - show this pic to 1000 rando's in the street and ask them if they like or dislike the Mona Lisa, almost all wont know that this isn't it the actual ML.

Where's your evidence for this claim?

 

[Orvillain]

 

[BenIfin]

Its an intriguing phenomena to me.

For static captures, and [mainly] using null testing as the basis, there is no argument its NAM, followed very closely by Tonex and then the others ... done ... period.

What does discombobulate me :) [I love that word] is that until the advent of NAM, there were, and still are, '000's of video's of real amp vs KPA Profile comparisons where the overwhelming majority of people - from pros to novices - some with very good ears - who simply could/can not consistently or reliably tell them apart from a sound or feel perspective.

So were they all wrong ? Bad ears ? Lying ? Shilling ? etc.... the advent of NAM did not and does not re-write this history.

Yet, to me, since NAM, there seems to be almost an attempt to re-write this history as if it was-is somehow all "wrong" / "misguided" for want of better words.

And then this 13 year old video always springs to mind.

I find it very hard to reconcile these things.

Just a 2c thought.

 

[BenIfin]

Where's your evidence for this claim?

I have none - just my hypothesis.

 

[Orvillain]

What does discombobulate me :) [I love that word] is that until the advent of NAM, there were, and still are, '000's of video's of real amp vs KPA Profile comparisons where the overwhelming majority of people - from pros to novices - some with very good ears - who simply could/can not consistently or reliably tell them apart from a sound or feel perspective.

So were they all wrong ? Bad ears ? Lying ? Shilling ? etc.... the advent of NAM did not and does not re-write this history.

They were all smoking copium, and copious amounts of it!!

When the Kemper first released, there were already people saying it wasn't accurate for this sound or that sound. Kemper even "fixed" the low end response in a firmware update within a year of the thing being launched.

The people who claim they cannot hear a difference have reasons to claim that - some of them within your list of options, some of them not.

But it is incontrovertible truth that frustrations with the profiling quality, date all the way back to the Kempers initial launch.

 

[DLC86]

And then this 13 year old video always springs to mind.

Despite the 5 kbps audio mixed with the direct strings sound, I still hear some differences... real amp has a bit more sizzle, less mids and is slightly less compressed.

PS: I think HD video already existed 13 years ago, right?

 

[Sascha Franck]

Except you have zero evidence for that completely dreamt up scenario, which is not true in the other case.

/Laughs in Josh Scott's videos...

 

[Funk Soul Brother]

And then this 13 year old video always springs to mind.

What I got from that video the first time I saw it & today (couldn't watch it all, actually):

They were all smoking copium, and copious amounts of it!!

When the Kemper first released, there were already people saying it wasn't accurate for this sound or that sound. Kemper even "fixed" the low end response in a firmware update within a year of the thing being launched.

The people who claim they cannot hear a difference have reasons to claim that - some of them within your list of options, some of them not.

But it is incontrovertible truth that frustrations with the profiling quality, date all the way back to the Kempers initial launch.

Confirmation. Bias.

 

[BenIfin]

They were all smoking copium, and copious amounts of it!!

When the Kemper first released, there were already people saying it wasn't accurate for this sound or that sound. Kemper even "fixed" the low end response in a firmware update within a year of the thing being launched.

The people who claim they cannot hear a difference have reasons to claim that - some of them within your list of options, some of them not.

But it is incontrovertible truth that frustrations with the profiling quality, date all the way back to the Kempers initial launch.

Good points.

 

[AFKAEjay(retired)]

Its an intriguing phenomena to me.

For static captures, and [mainly] using null testing as the basis, there is no argument its NAM, followed very closely by Tonex and then the others ... done ... period.

What does discombobulate me :) [I love that word] is that until the advent of NAM, there were, and still are, '000's of video's of real amp vs KPA Profile comparisons where the overwhelming majority of people - from pros to novices - some with very good ears - who simply could/can not consistently or reliably tell them apart from a sound or feel perspective.

So were they all wrong ? Bad ears ? Lying ? Shilling ? etc.... the advent of NAM did not and does not re-write this history.

Yet, to me, since NAM, there seems to be almost an attempt to re-write this history as if it was-is somehow all "wrong" / "misguided" for want of better words.

And then this 13 year old video always springs to mind.

I find it very hard to reconcile these things.

Just a 2c thought.

You are totally right!

There are few very vocal keyboardwarriors charging a null test score or a single vid like a bull would a red flag, framing Kemper like a piece of s***, versus thousands of players actually using the device at the highest level, and more then a decade of YT content showing otherwise.
(Ussually they include personal insults to people with counter opinions and/or suggestions that the manufacturer has bad intentions.)

I estimate the score: 10-99999999

Regardless, I think in 1 to 2 years from now, the whole discussion about capture tech will be like asking “who does the best e-mail app, android versus Apple”…it’s tech every manufacturer will offer at good quality.

 

[Orvillain]

 

[Sascha Franck]

I actually don't exactly know why there's still so much arguing about the Kemper being less accurate than others, up to the point that some profiles were pretty much not usable in case you wanted a proper representation of the profiled amp. Isn't that like common wisdom pretty much all around the profiling/modeling using world?

But still, do I have to "unlike" it in retrospect when I actually happened to like it every single time I had an option to get my hands on? Or do people using the damn thing daily have to unlike it?

Yes, there's good reasons for people to get all up in arms regarding some bold marketing claims and other stunts (hidden but not released features, payware, etc.). But that's not much different with other companies. At least Kemper has a product that all too apparently stood the test of time just fine, receiving regular updates and what not.

 

[Joshual-L]

They were all smoking copium, and copious amounts of it!!

When the Kemper first released, there were already people saying it wasn't accurate for this sound or that sound. Kemper even "fixed" the low end response in a firmware update within a year of the thing being launched.

The people who claim they cannot hear a difference have reasons to claim that - some of them within your list of options, some of them not.

But it is incontrovertible truth that frustrations with the profiling quality, date all the way back to the Kempers initial launch.

Nobody talked about that horrible and persistent cocked wha tone on all profiles??

 

[Sascha Franck]

Nobody talked about that horrible and persistent cocked wha tone on all profiles??

Can you post some examples? I keep reading this but there's very little examples of it. For me it's something that might've been present in some profiles and then turned into a buzzword. Every bit the way you're using it, because "on all profiles" is just nonsense.

 

[Orvillain]

I actually don't exactly know why there's still so much arguing about the Kemper being less accurate than others, up to the point that some profiles were pretty much not usable in case you wanted a proper representation of the profiled amp. Isn't that like common wisdom pretty much all around the profiling/modeling using world?

But still, do I have to "unlike" it in retrospect when I actually happened to like it every single time I had an option to get my hands on? Or do people using the damn thing daily have to unlike it?

Yes, there's good reasons for people to get all up in arms regarding some bold marketing claims and other stunts (hidden but not released features, payware, etc.). But that's not much different with other companies. At least Kemper has a product that all too apparently stood the test of time just fine, receiving regular updates and what not.

I would respond to you Sascha, but I think the M.O around here is just to make thinly veiled responses to people because you're too afraid to confront them directly, because you know you'll get absolutely rekt.

 

[Orvillain]

Nobody talked about that horrible and persistent cocked wha tone on all profiles??

Yep, that too!

 

[Joshual-L]

Can you post some examples? I keep reading this but there's very little examples of it. For me it's something that might've been present in some profiles and then turned into a buzzword. Every bit the way you're using it, because "on all profiles" is just nonsense.

Do your own search or go to the kemper forum.

The cocked wha problem is mentioned since the beginning and one of the major complaints

 

[Sascha Franck]

I would respond to you Sascha, but I think the M.O around here is just to make thinly veiled responses to people because you're too afraid to confront them directly, because you know you'll get absolutely rekt.

What a load of nonsense.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Do your own search or go to the kemper forum.

The cocked wha problem is mentioned since the beginning and one of the major complaints

So, where's the sound examples of that very issue?