Kemper Profiler MK 2

[Sascha Franck]

I heard the Kemper does the most accurate amp capturing? Any words on this?

 

[Orvillain]

No hang over today. Result!

 

[hunter]

Shoot man, I’ve both seen and heard and play using the Harley Benton. As far as sound and the way he plays I wouldn’t give you a nickel difference between that Harley Benton and the Tyler. He may say otherwise, but, as far as my hearing went, he sounded fabulous with the Harley Benton.

plus those HBs start to look damn sexy these days ..

 

[Chocol8]

I heard the Kemper does the most accurate amp capturing? Any words on this?

Are we doing a 2015 throwback day?

 

[DrewJD82]

No hang over today. Result!

You guys still drink to forget a bunch of farmers whooped your asses?

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

You guys still drink to forget a bunch of farmers whooped your asses?

Wonder how the Indian Nations feel about 4th of July…

 

[Orvillain]

You guys still drink to forget a bunch of farmers whooped your asses?

Of course we drink!!! You would too if you saw your children turn into Florida!!

 

[Orvillain]

And what have you guys even done with all that freedom? Invented deep fried butter? Fuck outta here!

 

[DrewJD82]

Wonder how the Indian Nations feel about 4th of July…

I tried commenting on that in several ways without breaking any of our own rules but was largely unsuccessful. I'll just say that I believe the vice-driven ways the federal government has opted to provide them with either money or tax breaks is not a benefit to them as a whole, or even individually. The Seminoles in Florida receive around $7K each, including children, per month for use of their land, but there's a reason you don't hear success stories of that money setting up lives for the better and I fully believe it's the scars of history playing a major role in that.

 

[Jarick]

I tried commenting on that in several ways without breaking any of our own rules but was largely unsuccessful. I'll just say that I believe the vice-driven ways the federal government has opted to provide them with either money or tax breaks is not a benefit to them as a whole, or even individually. The Seminoles in Florida receive around $7K each, including children, per month for use of their land, but there's a reason you don't hear success stories of that money setting up lives for the better and I fully believe it's the scars of history playing a major role in that.

My mom's step family were part of a tribe on a reservation with a casino, and some people in that tribe would get $10-20k per month (back in the 90's even). For many of the young people it basically fueled drugs, alcohol, partying, and destruction on a scale most people couldn't believe. I took that as a lesson that money isn't a magic solution to fundamental issues.

Edit - 10-20k per month not per year. Huge difference!

 

[Jarick]

And what have you guys even done with all that freedom? Invented deep fried butter? Fuck outta here!

 

[Chocol8]

Wonder how the Indian Nations feel about 4th of July…

The people you may have been referring to were not Indians. They also were not “indigenous” or “native” either. Simply the latest set of invaders who got replaced by the current set. Where I live it’s been at least four that we know of in the last 2000 years.

Anyway, the fact that there are some left to be unhappy means the early American army treated them better than they treated the prior people. Those tribes were obliterated.

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

The people you may have been referring to were not Indians. They also were not “indigenous” or “native” either. Simply the latest set of invaders who got replaced by the current set. Where I live it’s been at least four that we know of in the last 2000 years.

Anyway, the fact that there are some left to be unhappy means the early American army treated them better than they treated the prior people. Those tribes were obliterated.

I’m interested. Tell me more about that, or tell me some source material.
Thanks

And I’m not being my facetious self I mean I’m actually interested.

 

[Orvillain]

Take it elsewhere dudes. Drew and I were just joshing with each other - we weren't starting a political side quest!

 

[Chocol8]

I’m interested. Tell me more about that, or tell me some source material.
Thanks

And I’m not being my facetious self I mean I’m actually interested.

There is plenty of archeological and more recently genetic studies that show different cultures and different people settled in various regions of the Americas through the years.

The crap most of us learned as kids about a single migration into the Americas through the Bearing land bridge has been thoroughly debunked. Humans were here far earlier and came in multiple migrations. Once here there was considerable migration and conflict with cultures forming and disappearing. Much is still very much unknown, but I don’t think there are many experts still clinging to the old land bridge theory or the idea that the “natives” encountered by early Europeans were living just like their ancestors had for thousands of years. That was just European arrogance if anything.

Human history is far more complex and less linear than it has been represented. Way too complex for a forum discussion.

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

Take it elsewhere dudes. Drew and I were just joshing with each other - we weren't starting a political side quest!

Nothing political about ancestry

 

[OneEng]

I think one of the main differences in the way guys like @OneEng and me view Kemper, is that I consider the main/important aspect of Kemper’s products to be profiling/capturing real amps realistically, while he/they consider the main/important aspect of their products to be a good all-in-one-solution. That’s fair enough I guess, in that our priorities and reasons for considering the products in question differ.

I also believe both @OneEng and me had hopes and expectations that the next generation of products from Kemper would be a significant improvement, and that the Mk II thus far is a disappointment. I guess (but I’m not sure) we both are kind of worried by the fact that Kemper already has been backtracking a bit on the promises of what the new profiling will be able to deliver. And I am (@OneEng may not be) a bit worried about Kemper’s future in the market place.

That said; if I wanted the best all-in-one digital solution, I’d still look elsewhere first. To me, pretty much all the different Fractal all-in-one products are more attractive than what could be considered the Kemper counterparts. I’d also choose the Helix floor over pretty much any Kemper product in this regard.

If I were allowed to have two units, I’d prefer a Tonex/Dimehead + Fractal VP4 solution over any Kemper product.

Being free to have as many units I want on a board… - well, that’s pretty much where I am these days and theres no Kemper in sight.

But that’s just me and my preferences.

Btw; I don’t think I’ve crossed any lines with my contributions to the discussion in this thread. But I’m sorry if I have offended anyone or reduced their enjoyment of TGF. That has not been my intention.

That's a pretty accurate summary.

I agree that Kemper is in trouble in the long run. The gross lack of innovation and line 6 purchase by Yamaha and subsequent massive investment in the product line will slowly cripple Kemper... And possibly others.

I think the Player and a paid upgrade to MK1 users will keep them viable for a few years, but the future is bleak IMO.

LOL, what decade are you stuck in?

Just as acoustic drums are the most popular, so are tube amps

There's no way of knowing how it would sound in a mix without it being IN a mix, that's 100% contextual to what else is going on in the mix itself. Where everything compounds quickly in a mix, especially when you start double-quad tracking guitars, anything that's compressed-sounding going in is going to sound that much more compressed in the final result. With clip 1's compressed upper mids, if those got stacked with another track of the same the upper mids would smear and lose definition.

And I suspect what I'm hearing in a lot of ToneTalk episodes when Dave Friedman starts shitting on modeling, or even some of the producers they've had on, with "Modelers just don't sit the same way an amp does" is specifically because of things like specific areas being compressed in a modeler where they wouldn't be in an amp. This is also the reason I started dialing in my tones to sound as close to a raw amp in the room as possible, because it's REALLY easy to dial in what you want to hear right away, rather than what you need to have in the tracks so it creates what you want to hear with the rest of the instruments and then the mastering chain, which is going to compress it even more.

Fair, but the bottom end rarely makes it through the mix over the bass and kick.

I'm curious to learn more about your process here. Are you using monitors, ""FRFR"", cans, cab/power amp?

One thing I learned from the Kemper is how useful a mid push can be. Fractal just always seems to give me the opposite of that. Finding the right IR to counter act that seems key. Honestly sometimes the Helix is better at punching through in the mids for me

I agree.

I'm wankered right now, and I love you all.

Use whatever the fuck you want to use. I like tube amps.

@Ed DeGenaro yknow what, I've been thinking I'll sell my Axe3 once Helix Stadium is available!! I haven't even used the bloody thing, but Line6 have my balls in a vice, and I love it. Squeeze me daddy.

Oh, one of these "rare tube amps players"

everyone has their bubbles. I don’t see this at all. I mostly see amps + pedalboards most of the time whether it’s an amp brought along or just using backline. I see more boss and Strymon pedals in a month than Kempers I’ve seen in a decade. HX stomps are somewhat common (along with pedalboards) generally I see modellers when people are forced to go direct and they take the path of least resistance. Seeing more of the UA pedals on boards in this case.

I like the Kemper workflow, and you seem very used to it, there’s nothing mind blowing about it that puts it up on a pedestal above anything else…you’ve made that up in your head. Fractal effects are better, so are the footswitching options, quad cortex is a better fly rig, helix snapshots are better than Kempers switching, their effects are on par, and the full lineup is more complete than Kemper - helix native is what a lot of Kemper users have wanted for years, and the player is their version of stomp that was long overdue

You can argue all you want but Kemper is kinda in the Headrush league now. It exists but I don’t really think anyone is comparing it to the top options (other than you)

Not for what I do. Kemper is still the best for me.

I may have to pickup a Stadium XL after the initial bugs get worked out in late 26 as it is an awfully well thought out design from what information we have so far.

 

[Sascha Franck]

I rather take the deep fried butter. Thank you!

 

[Antipodes]

I rather take the deep fried butter. Thank you!

Once you get rid of that stupid plastic jack plate they ain't so bad.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Once you get rid of that stupid plastic jack plate they ain't so bad.

Fried butter doesn't come with those.