Sascha Franck
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I love it how you folks keep going - even if the facts are as clear as it gets. Even the subjective ones.
But keep going!
But keep going!
ian_dissonance
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Ears?
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You've got 4 people right here saying it.
ian_dissonance
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For a minute it was frustrating. It’s getting fun again, though.
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Eh...
nicolasrivera
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Ahhh ok, nice. What did you use?
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This is exactly the purpose. You guys shit on stuff. It's what you do. So, as long as the casual browser knows this all is well. Carry on.
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I like the logic. As I appreciate the genuine thoughts.
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That is not logical.
Lots of us have been giving genuine thoughts. You just don't like them, so you want to stealth imply that they're not genuine. But you can't bumrush the gush gush with yer tush tush. Ok mush??
ian_dissonance
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Bro, I play a fucking BOSS GT-1000. I don’t give a shit about authentic anything or any of that nonsense. The conversation keeps trying to pivot on some point nobody made because the made point prior was “Kemper doesn’t sound the samest of modern profilers”. That’s it. Then like 20 pages of people quoting that with a list of shit that doesn’t have anything to do with that.
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yyyyeaaaahhhhh bruvvvvvvvv
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If going with Mesa branded blue, green or gray should be good. Red or yellow are too cold. For the clip posted I was trying some 2003 Tung Sol 6l6gc. That's the thing with these fixed bias amps, the power tubes make a huge difference.
My favorite in the amp are Mesa STR454. Which are Winged Cs. Such a great tube.
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Profiler MK 2 Discussion (unorganized long thread with loads of off topic remarks) - Kemper Profiler Forum
Source of Information: https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/d4m9rijIce2scIC7oNeY4w Kemper today announced the immediate availability of the revolutionary PROFILER MK 2 series. Covering all PROFILER products (Head, Rack, Stage, and Power), this upgrade redefines…
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It's interesting that there are these claims of the Mk1 and Mk2 sound different, even with the same capture tech.
An analogy...
I bought an Elektron Digitakt MK2, and sold my MK1 almost straight after. But using the MK2, my old projects just didn't quite sound the same... not enough grit... the dirt and mush was missing.
I went and brought another MK1, and compared them side-by-side. Extremely clear differences. When I brought it up on Elektronauts, a few of the guys over there just told me to add more compression and enjoy my new unit.
So ultimately, there are two schools of thought:
1. The school of thought that says, fuck it... who gives a shit, just use the thing and enjoy it, or move it on if you don't.
2. Then the more scientifically and reasoned perspective... Yeahhh.. but WHY does it sound different? I gotta analyse this to death and figure it out.
Basically, Galileo versus whatever pope we have this year.
Profiler MK 2 Discussion (unorganized long thread with loads of off topic remarks) - Kemper Profiler Forum
Source of Information: https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/d4m9rijIce2scIC7oNeY4w Kemper today announced the immediate availability of the revolutionary PROFILER MK 2 series. Covering all PROFILER products (Head, Rack, Stage, and Power), this upgrade redefines…
It's interesting that there are these claims of the Mk1 and Mk2 sound different, even with the same capture tech.
If the Mk2 makes a Mk1 profile sound different, that's a bad thing. He must be making a mistake in his test.
The more I think about it, the more I want to call BS on his test. Many many people have both a Player, which is Mk2, and a Mk1, but I've never heard of any of those people saying the Player sounds different than their Mk1. Kemper's Player product page even says they sound identical. The only other possibility is he's hearing a difference due to different analog components, but that should be a very small difference compared to what he's showing.
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They aren't that different, but they are different. Thing is, I bet I could tweak the profile (whichever one it is) with a little EQ and they would be nearly identical. Even without that, in a live environment, no one would know the difference.
Having said that, I think that it would be nice if Kemper's new profiling algorithm didn't involve "refining" and was much more push button .... and accurate.
The thing is, for live use, I would feel sorry for anyone on stage using one of those pathetic NAM players.... or God forbid a Tonex. Just to think about the pathetic excuse for efx that Tonex has and all anyone talks about is null tests. This baffles me.
That was my thought as well. I made that same comment in that thread. Another tell here is that if there were some "improvement" in MK2 it would seem like Kemper would be shouting it to the heavens and in that thread ..... not a peep.
Do you have 4 people saying that either one sounds like crap? Do you have someone saying they can clearly hear aliasing so bad in one that it makes it sound awful?
I am not going to argue that more accurate would not be better though. What I can argue is that for people that play live, the guitar eq on the mixer are likely going to tweak based on the speakers and the room anyway. I spend considerable time tweaking my rigs so that they sound good in the mix, on our bands PA, in a venue size room. These tweaks depart from whatever the original capture is anyway. In many cases, what sounds good in the mix doesn't sound so good by itself.
My guess is that the first clip (less bottom and more mids) would actually cut the mix and sound better even though most people would pick out the 2nd clip as "sounding better" because it has more bottom and is "fuller". In the mix it might well just sound "congested".
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You don’t understand it.I mean, yeah. I’ve seen this shit happen in person, and it’s kinda funny but not.
“Oh sweet baby Jesus guys I need to have authentic speaker representations for each song!”
Sound guy: “the fuck you do!”
The Kone is for the pleasure of the guitar player. It’s that ‘amp in a room’ sound we all seek.
You don’t mic a Kemper Kone and you can still send a line out to FOH when you are live if you want. You can even lock the output to FOH to single ‘good enough’ cab choice if you don’t want to share your accuracy with the philistines in the audience.
