John Petrucci Tonex tones

[Dadbodblues]

For guys who have/use Tonex live, could you recommend me paid/free captures that would get me near JP's tones? I've recently seen these video and I really like how he sounds here.

 

[laxu]

I'd just look at what free JP2C, Mark V or Mark IIC+ captures are available and go through them until you find something that you like. Pair with IRs of a Mesa 4x12 V30 cab.

 

[Mikael Dez]

If you want to spend money, check out Amalgam captures - they have an excellent Mark pack.

 

[Dadbodblues]

I'd just look at what free JP2C, Mark V or Mark IIC+ captures are available and go through them until you find something that you like. Pair with IRs of a Mesa 4x12 V30 cab.

If you want to spend money, check out Amalgam captures - they have an excellent Mark pack.

I actually have the Amalgam Mark IIC+ and I like it for what it is but I seem to need to EQ it a lot to get to a convincing JP tone. I was just actually wondering if other Tonex users here have their favorite capture for JP tones to narrow down my options.

 

[JiveTurkey]

A Mark amp is probably the worst type of amp for capture use. I don't want an amp with 15 modes and 37 controls to be reduced down to a static capture with zero ability to adjust it realistically.

 

[Mongillo19]

A Mark amp is probably the worst type of amp for capture use. I don't want an amp with 15 modes and 37 controls to be reduced down to a static capture with zero ability to adjust it realistically.

But also very true

 

[Mikael Dez]

A Mark amp is probably the worst type of amp for capture use. I don't want an amp with 15 modes and 37 controls to be reduced down to a static capture with zero ability to adjust it realistically.

True, but I guess if you’re hunting for JP’s tone and you’re using captures then you’d be restricted to that I’d think.

 

[laxu]

I actually have the Amalgam Mark IIC+ and I like it for what it is but I seem to need to EQ it a lot to get to a convincing JP tone. I was just actually wondering if other Tonex users here have their favorite capture for JP tones to narrow down my options.

What kind of output system do you have?

 

[laxu]

A Mark amp is probably the worst type of amp for capture use. I don't want an amp with 15 modes and 37 controls to be reduced down to a static capture with zero ability to adjust it realistically.

You could spend ages trying to capture every permutation of its settings, even on something more simplified like the JP2C or IIC+ Reissue.

It's also the most miserable amp type to work with in modelers because going between the knobs and graphic EQ is a pain in the ass compared to using real physical controls.

 

[JiveTurkey]

But also very true

 

[nicolasrivera]

A Mark amp is probably the worst type of amp for capture use. I don't want an amp with 15 modes and 37 controls to be reduced down to a static capture with zero ability to adjust it realistically.

I agree with this, to a point. At the moment im testing and capturing a Mark VII that i have on loan. To be honest, i like the tone/feel of the JP2C more. But the reality, to me at least, is that i grab a Mark for 2 or 3 tones and thats it. If it does 2 tones right, the way i like a Mark to sound and feel, it is a winner. Having multiple watt optiones, reverb etc is just between the core tone of a Mark.

In a few week ill be posting my captures and new ones of my 89 Mark III green stripe asn i have done some thing in my signal chain that makes them sound even better.

 

[JiveTurkey]

I am sure you could get a great capture with whatever platform. But I will ALWAYS want those controls to tweak a Mark to my liking, no matter how good the sound at the moment of capture is. This would be compounded by the fact that a Mark sounds great one minute and needs tweaked the next. Without those controls; hard pass.

 

[nicolasrivera]

I am sure you could get a great capture with whatever platform. But I will ALWAYS want those controls to tweak a Mark to my liking, no matter how good the sound at the moment of capture is. This would be compounded by the fact that a Mark sounds great one minute and needs tweaked the next. Without those controls; hard pass.

Yes! i do force my self to minimize the control tweaks if frequenciez are the problem, i solve this with othr variations of IRs, EQ etc. JUst dont change guitars!! hahaha or its start all over again.

 

[laxu]

I agree with this, to a point. At the moment im testing and capturing a Mark VII that i have on loan. To be honest, i like the tone/feel of the JP2C more. But the reality, to me at least, is that i grab a Mark for 2 or 3 tones and thats it. If it does 2 tones right, the way i like a Mark to sound and feel, it is a winner. Having multiple watt optiones, reverb etc is just between the core tone of a Mark.

In a few week ill be posting my captures and new ones of my 89 Mark III green stripe asn i have done some thing in my signal chain that makes them sound even better.

Counterpoint: I bought my Mark V 90 mostly because it's kinda sorta "lots of amps in one". You may have to twiddle the knobs a lot to make them do that, but the possibility is there.

If I had a big collection of amps I probably would do like you and just look at "core" Mark tones.

If I ever convert my Mark V to a head, I'll probably ditch the reverb tank though. Seems pointless when there's so many good digital reverbs on the market.

 

[Dadbodblues]

A Mark amp is probably the worst type of amp for capture use. I don't want an amp with 15 modes and 37 controls to be reduced down to a static capture with zero ability to adjust it realistically.

I don't have any experience with any Mark amp so I don't really get this. Any other amp capture would also be as restricted to whatever EQ option the capture device has.

Well if the Mark captures won't really get me to where I want, would you suggest that I look elsewhere? IRs?

 

[Dadbodblues]

What kind of output system do you have?

I'm using Yamaha HS4 at home and go direct to FOH on gigs, but I'm currently considering getting one of those Laney 212 FRFRs for live use.

 

[Chocol8]

I don't have any experience with any Mark amp so I don't really get this. Any other amp capture would also be as restricted to whatever EQ option the capture device has.

Well if the Mark captures won't really get me to where I want, would you suggest that I look elsewhere? IRs?

Don't get too distracted or discouraged by the advice you are getting here. If the goal was to have a simulation of a Mark amp, and all it can do, JiveTurkey is correct, but if you are looking for 2-3 JP tones, he is leading you astray.

You absolutely can capture a Mark that has been setup to sound how you want it to, so you just need to find someone who has captured the JP tones you want. This is not something I can help you with, but I am sure someone has done JP Mark tones by now.

 

[Mikael Dez]

I always liked Amalgam’s free Mark IV capture that was out there, before I sold my Tonex that is.

 

[Dadbodblues]

Don't get too distracted or discouraged by the advice you are getting here. If the goal was to have a simulation of a Mark amp, and all it can do, JiveTurkey is correct, but if you are looking for 2-3 JP tones, he is leading you astray.

You absolutely can capture a Mark that has been setup to sound how you want it to, so you just need to find someone who has captured the JP tones you want. This is not something I can help you with, but I am sure someone has done JP Mark tones by now.

Yeah, I thought the OP was clear enough. I'm aware of the limitations with capture tech and still favor it over bringing an actual amp to gigs and I don't actually have the time to tweak too much live.

 

[nicolasrivera]

Counterpoint: I bought my Mark V 90 mostly because it's kinda sorta "lots of amps in one". You may have to twiddle the knobs a lot to make them do that, but the possibility is there.

If I had a big collection of amps I probably would do like you and just look at "core" Mark tones.

If I ever convert my Mark V to a head, I'll probably ditch the reverb tank though. Seems pointless when there's so many good digital reverbs on the market.

The Mark V, in my point of view, is the best Mark for the money. Aside for the MIDI implementation and IR optiones in the MKVIII, the MKV has more tone options that are usable and different from each other than the MKVII.

The next Mark amp i will buy will be the V no quiestion about it.