Helix Stadium wishlist

[GTR37]

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Like the Slash , Cantrell , Petrucci

 

[Gary_W]

I might be overthinking things but….

If one of the main points of Agoura is accuracy, could we maybe have the ability to put spring reverbs into an amp *where they actually are on the original*. With a Princeton, for instance - we have a lovely Agoura model. If you put a spring reverb on it, you can put it before the amp, between the amp and the speaker or after the amp. Correct me if I’m wrong but in an actual Princeton it doesn’t live in any of those places.

It’s not breaking my heart not having this (it sounds awesome anyway) but if you wanted to take a further step towards a truly authentic model then maybe this would help?

 

[Chocol8]

put spring reverbs into an amp *where they actually are on the original*. With a Princeton, for instance - we have a lovely Agoura model. If you put a spring reverb on it, you can put it before the amp, between the amp and the speaker or after the amp. Correct me if I’m wrong but in an actual Princeton it doesn’t live in any of those places.

That's a good point! In a real BF fender circuit, the reverb comes after the tone stack and the first two gain stages, but before the PI/power section. If you are playing clean, you could put the reverb between the amp and speaker and it should be close enough. If you are distorting a BF amp, which I actually do all the time with the real ones, putting it after the power amp distortion is not going to be right, and putting it before the tone stack won't be right either.

 

[EOengineer]

That's a good point! In a real BF fender circuit, the reverb comes after the tone stack and the first two gain stages, but before the PI/power section. If you are playing clean, you could put the reverb between the amp and speaker and it should be close enough. If you are distorting a BF amp, which I actually do all the time with the real ones, putting it after the power amp distortion is not going to be right, and putting it before the tone stack won't be right either.

I tend to throw the reverb between the amp and cab but I’ve found some occasions where dropping it in front of a slightly broken up amp really emphasized the drip. This is more akin to how you’d run one of the old 63 standalone reverb units though. I really wish there accurately Trem and Verb on the fenders. It’s always been awkward…on every platform.

 

[synthpenguin]

I might be overthinking things but….

If one of the main points of Agoura is accuracy, could we maybe have the ability to put spring reverbs into an amp *where they actually are on the original*. With a Princeton, for instance - we have a lovely Agoura model. If you put a spring reverb on it, you can put it before the amp, between the amp and the speaker or after the amp. Correct me if I’m wrong but in an actual Princeton it doesn’t live in any of those places.

It’s not breaking my heart not having this (it sounds awesome anyway) but if you wanted to take a further step towards a truly authentic model then maybe this would help?

True, though imo there's not much difference to placement before the amp or after the tonestack and early gain stages in this case. I think it's more important that it's before the power amp sim, since the Princeton preamp is more or less linear. Tonestack placement does become relevant when there is modulation affecting the reverb, but in practice I think the difference is minimal here (again, in this specific context).

It would be cool if Line 6 were able to add an insert point for effects into the amp block, but I don't think it's easy to achieve without introducing latency issues. When captures come along, and if Agoura preamps become available, you could get something similar by using a power amp capture paired with a preamp, though then you'll introduce the normal differences that come with separate preamps and power amps.

 

[Gary_W]

Good to hear a couple of folks also thinking this isn’t a terrible idea :)

I’m not sure it would need ann insert point with the potential of introducing latency? With the new Agoura modelling, would there be anything stopping Line 6 from doing a ‘full’ Princeton with tremolo and reverb *in the correct places*? They’ve already done the amp without these things and they already make the effects. I guess they could make a complete amp block that does the whole thing in one place? The reverb and trem controls could be within the actual amp block for models they do this way. Obviously it would take more DSP but, as the existing Agoura amp already exists, a user could load up the regular one if they did not care about having the traditionally included effects in the right place then the realism seeker could simply load the all in one block?