Hagar Anthony VH song on Stern -Satch using modeler

Can we agree that being under-rehearsed for a FUCKING (the most official without technically being official) Van Halen tribute gig is a beyond dumb move? No shade against Satriani so much as the idea as a whole of "oh; well just wing it when we get on Stern"
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Yeah it’s absolutely stupid. Without a doubt.
 
What in the actual fuck is your major malfunction, dude? Did I call you out in particular? Did I call you an idiot?

This and the rest of your post just shows you want to fucking argue.

To be clear I don't think you or anyone else is an idiot for disagreeing with me here or anywhere else. But to call something idiotic is very specific language, so I'm not sure what you're tyring to say otherwise.
 
To be clear I don't think you or anyone else is an idiot for disagreeing with me here or anywhere else. But to call something idiotic is very specific language, so I'm not sure what you're tyring to say otherwise.
The conversation in general about beating the “he played like shit, unrehearsed, that was stupid” into the ground is idiotic in general. Here, YouTube, other sites. In general. It’s already old. People making YouTube shorts of it.

What’s being added that isn’t already known? He played much of it poorly. He wasn’t rehearsed. This was a dumb idea, by either Sammy, him, or both. Time to move on and see if he can pull it off this summer. Or not.
 
I think I said elsewhere I was really underwhelmed but then found out they literally hadn’t rehearsed at all. It’s going to be rusty they are playing from memory.

Hopefully they announce more dates because it would be fun to see them. I grew up with the Van Hagar tapes my uncle gave me because he was a die hard DLR guy!
 
And I don't mean to pull the attention of this thread about me and my thoughts on this, so sorry for any derailing. But I've seen plenty of my favorite musicians have terrible performances, from seeing Queensryche on the Empire / Rage for Order Suite tour, where the whole band except Rockenfield kind of acted like they didn't care, except for Tate, who acted like he was in a terrible play, minus the passion, to Sepultura playing like they didn't they care at all in 1993, to a bunch of others. But there was a time I could say that and no one would bat an eye. You'd just hear, "Yeah, I thought that was a bad one too," or "Whatever, I still liked it." I mean, big deal.
 
There’s a difference between not caring, and what happened with Stern though. Being over zealous with getting your cool new idea doesn’t deserve the ire as much as “JFC, don’t do it if you’re not into it”.
 
The conversation in general about beating the “he played like shit, unrehearsed, that was stupid” into the ground is idiotic in general. Here, YouTube, other sites. In general. It’s already old. People making YouTube shorts of it.

What’s being added that isn’t already known? He played much of it poorly. He wasn’t rehearsed. This was a dumb idea, by either Sammy, him, or both. Time to move on and see if he can pull it off this summer. Or not.

Then this is a bigger phenomenon that I knew about. I haven't really seen much about it online. I just saw the video here and was shocked. I don't know what's already done and argued to death anywhere. This and the Fractal forum are my social media, and even that is pretty limited.
 
Satch is the man. He's laid the foundation for so many of us it's ridiculous. I'll never, ever say anything bad about his playing, ever. Out of all the solo guitarists out there he is waaayyyyyy up there in consistency and delivery, maybe even the best.

I only had a little gripe at the first posted video because the recording sounded kinda iffy, and that's probably from Stern's end.
I remember the first radio show my band did around '96, we played awesome but listening back to the recording it sounded like shit with a bunch of hum. :hmm:rofl
 
Jeez, guys, lay off each other for a minute and look at the bigger picture here. They went on Stern to promote a tour that is scheduled to begin next summer. Months and months away, and these guys have other stuff going on right now. They most likely haven't even started the rehearsals for the tour yet, so "under-rehearsed" would be an understatement. But an understandable one.
 
Jeez, guys, lay off each other for a minute and look at the bigger picture here. They went on Stern to promote a tour that is scheduled to begin next summer. Months and months away, and these guys have other stuff going on right now. They most likely haven't even started the rehearsals for the tour yet, so "under-rehearsed" would be an understatement. But an understandable one.
That’s the point. So going on about how it wasn’t great is beating a dead horse.
 
I love Satriani. I've always respected the hell out of him, and he was a major influence on my musical thought. As I read the posts defending this performance, and the way you are doing it, I keep wondering, if you were in a band with someone who performed a song like the worst of his performance here, how would you feel? If Satriani hired a musician to be on stage with him, and that player played like that, what would he think? Would you be critical of Joe firing another guitarist for playing like that, would the fact that the guitarist is a friend of Joe's and is having a good time on change make him immune from criticism?

I think Satriani deserves all the recognition in the world for being the transcendant musician he is, but I couldn't stand his performance here. Eddie Van Halen's technique is, to me, difficult to reproduce, the spirit of it, the swagger, the flow, the musicality, etc. Maybe he's the most important, radical, revolutionary modern guitarist? I don't know, but no matter what it's no small feat to fill his shoes. To me, it completely makes sense that David Lee Roth, after performing with this genius, had to move on to another genius, Steve Vai, then another genius, Jason Becker. I mean, that's what it takes of you want to be in the same league. And to be clear, I think Satriani is easily in the same league.

I think it would be cool for Satriani in this instance just to be himself completely, and just reinterpret the songs entirely his way. I love him for his personality in his playing, his craftsmanship, respect for the instrument, compositional thought, creativity...I could go on. And for the moments I could see him just playing the Van Halen songs his way, I think he sounded fantastic.

I think the defense of the stumbling parts of his performance is really, really fucked up though. It is okay to recognize a bad performance and just leave it at that. I feel like there's a cult of personality thing going on here, and I think that's crap; to me it's disrespectful and gang like.

I can hold these two thoughts in my head at the same time:

I love and respect the musicianship of Joe Satriani.

I thought his performance on this video was at times awful.

I've seen a phenomenon on the interenet in which criticism of any rock star is religiously shut down gang style, where any dissent can only come from a jealous hack who knows nothing about music. The goal is to shut down discussion of the substance by making any serious discussion itself a test of loyalty instead, on the terms set by the most strident voices. And that's such crap, as if none of you have ever heard someone stumbling through a musical performance and that it was horrible.

My criticial opinion on this is just as valid as your noncritical opinion. If I have no right in your minds to be crticial of one of my heroes, you equally have no right to defend him. We all just need to sit here quitely and never discuss whether anything is good or bad in art, right? Or we should just sit quietly if we think it's bad? Or just if you think it's good and I think it's bad? If the internet or guitar forums in particular are places where we have to praise absolutely everything everyone famous has ever done or ever will do, I have no respect for that. It's just bullshit.

I mean, great guitarists sound like shit sometimes; shit happens. And that doesn't mean anything except it's one shitty performance, or one shitty part of a good performance or whatever. But no matter someone's stature or age or accomplishments, it's okay to recognize freaking reality. And it's okay to talk about it, with respect. And I can hear some one responding with, "well, how many gold albums have you released?" Well, if that's the standard for musical discussion, I want no part of that either. We're all music fans here, and we come here to talk about it.

We fans of Satriani didn't fall in love with his music and playing because of performances like the worst parts of this. And yes, I understand the context; it's been pointed out several times in this thread. I think it's also okay for him to say, "I'm still learning some of these songs, and I can't play this one well yet." He's got enormous clout and stature, and he could pull that off just fine. And I'm sure everyone in the studio would've respected that.

And I'm still interested to see how he pulls off these songs in the future, because I'll just bet he wasn't exactly happy with his performance.

One argument I cannot stand is the "well, is he having a good time?" argument. Musical performance to me is truly a sacred thing, something deserving respect and craft and drive and study and understanding. I'm attracted to my favorite music because it moves me, not because someone was having a good time on stage.

So I'm interested to see now if my post leads to a bunch of passive aggressive attacks. I like this forum in general because the spirit of discussions here seem in general to be open and not cult like, but I do not at all like the vibe of this thread. But I contribute a little to this forum here and there, and I do have thoughts on this, whether or not some of you find my feelings or my nerve to express them personally offensive.

While I agree with JT that they should have rehearsed before going on Stern, but I can’t reasonably call any of the Stern show “shitty” or “bad”. The dude still played the songs about what, 98.5% note for note? Aside from the one where he improvised the whole solo.

I don’t know if this is a symptom of bands using backing tracks live and people having this idea of perfection in a live setting, but even as a bigger VH fan than I am a Satch fan, I just can’t comprehend calling any of that “bad” in any way, whatsoever. I‘m not saying it was perfection, but IMO, considering what it was, that was on the opposite end of bad.
 

Nuno is such an unpretentious cool mofo.........
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While I agree with JT that they should have rehearsed before going on Stern, but I can’t reasonably call any of the Stern show “shitty” or “bad”. The dude still played the songs about what, 98.5% note for note? Aside from the one where he improvised the whole solo.

I don’t know if this is a symptom of bands using backing tracks live and people having this idea of perfection in a live setting, but even as a bigger VH fan than I am a Satch fan, I just can’t comprehend calling any of that “bad” in any way, whatsoever. I‘m not saying it was perfection, but IMO, considering what it was, that was on the opposite end of bad.

One example is the intro to 5150. When I think of Satriani I immediately think of performances that are even better live than in the studio. I think the man plays with fire and thoughtfulness together, on top of a special kind of creative technical mastery, and it's awesome. Like, the gold standard to me is Dreaming #11. I can't even compare the studio versions of those three live tracks.

Further to your point, I don't think of backing tracks in a live setting to be a good thing. Okay, if you're triggering the speech samples for Cult of Personality by Living Colour, I think that's cool, but not in general for musical parts.

I'm not thinking it should be like a Van Halen studio recording either. Eddie Van Halen was famously loose and free live, and it was awesome.

And I'm not forgetting this is a totally different context. It's decades later, this is not Joe's music, and the story is that they were unrehearsed. Although the rest of the band sounded rehearsed to me. I was shocked at how great they all sounded.

Like, I'm not trying somehow to condemn him to the annals of shitty musicianship for the sake of history (which I do for some famous guitarists); like I said, to me this is one performance that is at times awful.

About the one solo just being his own. I think that's actually a great idea for him. No one use looking for a Van Halen lookalike and soundalike. That was part of my point. Joe is truly one of the greatest, and as himself he's at his best. These are my two cents.
 
Satch is the man. He's laid the foundation for so many of us it's ridiculous. I'll never, ever say anything bad about his playing, ever. Out of all the solo guitarists out there he is waaayyyyyy up there in consistency and delivery, maybe even the best.

I only had a little gripe at the first posted video because the recording sounded kinda iffy, and that's probably from Stern's end.
I remember the first radio show my band did around '96, we played awesome but listening back to the recording it sounded like shit with a bunch of hum. :hmm:rofl

Quoted for posterity's sake! :beer
 
Satch is the man. He's laid the foundation for so many of us it's ridiculous. I'll never, ever say anything bad about his playing, ever. Out of all the solo guitarists out there he is waaayyyyyy up there in consistency and delivery, maybe even the best.

I only had a little gripe at the first posted video because the recording sounded kinda iffy, and that's probably from Stern's end.
I remember the first radio show my band did around '96, we played awesome but listening back to the recording it sounded like shit with a bunch of hum. :hmm:rofl
depends on you generation. I honestly didnt know who he was when 1st seeing the clip..as i posted originally.Never listened to him or bothered to. After someone told me who he was i went and listened to his past music and didnt care for it.His playing is technical and good of course but not my style and too much inside a box for me.Eddie was wayyyy outside the box so i see them as 2 opposite extremes in playing but joe doesnt really care about what anyone thinks anyhow as he is famous and rich and having fun playing gigs. From all i have "read" about him i am suprised he wants to do vh cover music with sammy.
 
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