Guns

Even just buying the ammo right now from all I have heard is cashy.

Yeah, prices got stupid a few years back and haven’t come back in line. I haven’t bought any in a while, I still have plenty of range ammo and carry ammo that I accumulated before things went to shit. But I don’t go to the range nearly as much as I used to either due to the ammo prices.
 
I think guns should be illegal for everyone, including cops and the military, and we should all go back to manly weapons, like bows and swords. 🤣

Seriously though, I wouldn’t mind one, but judging by some friends and my sister (who used to competition shoot) it’s just another expensive thing to get into.
 
I think guns should be illegal for everyone, including cops and the military, and we should all go back to manly weapons, like bows and swords. 🤣

Seriously though, I wouldn’t mind one, but judging by some friends and my sister (who used to competition shoot) it’s just another expensive thing to get into.
Mine just sits in a safe waiting for the day that will never come lol (but it is nice to know in the back of my mind if shit were to really hit the fan at least I have a pistol? Of course shelter/food/water are your biggest problems there but now we’re getting into prepper territory 😂)
 
Edit: I apologize… I didn’t actually thought a “guns” thread would be like a gear thread. I automatically jumped strait to the boring and difficult thing…. Of course you should discuss guns as an interest in the same ways as guitar pedal or any type of hobby or interest. I’m out!!!!!



What I wrote tldr

Never understood the “thing”, because here it’s not traditional or common to own guns.
Traditionally, hunters own rifles.
I guess criminals also own guns hahaha.

But that “thing”… the typical American thing. Isn’t it based on some old understanding that every one has the right to own a gun, simple.

To me the not so simple discussion would be. Why doesn’t old laws and such change according to society’s development?
I mean… things change… conditions change. Undesestandings, rules, laws, common sense stuff that was needed and worked 200 years ago… might just not work today.

Is it as simple as that?

Explain to a Swede….

I just think that today, in the whole world as it is now, guns have no place in common people’s hands.

Even if you are a responsible and intelligent type of person and can own a gun, you do have to agree with me that there are many people that shouldn’t have access or possibility to own or get a gun.

I think the best way as we do here. Hunters own rifles, they are very controlled and usually have an education in the matter. Then there’s the “sport”, where you do have to compete officially and be a member in some weird organization to be able to own a hand gun and such.

To me it’s very weird to just.
“Hey, we decided 200 years that everyone has the right to own a gun so that’s that”

Oh, and then there’s the “I must defend myself and have the right to do so” thing. It’s also not as simple as that in reality. I suspect many people ride on that thing in many ways that contradicts its basic premise.
 
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Edit: I apologize… I didn’t actually thought a “guns” thread would be like a gear thread. I automatically jumped strait to the boring and difficult thing…. Of course you should discuss guns as an interest in the same ways as guitar pedal or any type of hobby or interest. I’m out!!!!!



What I wrote tldr

Never understood the “thing”, because here it’s not traditional or common to own guns.
Traditionally, hunters own rifles.
I guess criminals also own guns hahaha.

But that “thing”… the typical American thing. Isn’t it based on some old understanding that every one has the right to own a gun, simple.

To me the not so simple discussion would be. Why doesn’t old laws and such change according to society’s development?
I mean… things change… conditions change. Undesestandings, rules, laws, common sense stuff that was needed and worked 200 years ago… might just not work today.

Is it as simple as that?

Explain to a Swede….

I just think that today, in the whole world as it is now, guns have no place in common people’s hands.

Even if you are a responsible and intelligent type of person and can own a gun, you do have to agree with me that there are many people that shouldn’t have access or possibility to own or get a gun.

I think the best way as we do here. Hunters own rifles, they are very controlled and usually have an education in the matter. Then there’s the “sport”, where you do have to compete officially and be a member in some weird organization to be able to own a hand gun and such.

To me it’s very weird to just.
“Hey, we decided 200 years that everyone has the right to own a gun so that’s that”

Oh, and then there’s the “I must defend myself and have the right to do so” thing. It’s also not as simple as that in reality. I suspect many people ride on that thing in many ways that contradicts its basic premise.

I'm not sure how to even begin here, so I'll do my best to lay out some basic points to hopefully give non-Americans a better insight as to why we are an armed nation.

First off, in America there are far more law abiding gun owners than there are armed criminals. So no, guns are not just for criminals.

Interesting fact: Cities in America with the strictest gun laws have the highest crime rates, and cities with the highest percentage of people carrying legally have the lowest crime rates. This statistic really tells you all you need to know.

As for the Constitutional protection of the right to bear arms, that is actually just as relevant today as it has ever been. The intent behind the Second Amendment was that being able to defend yourself is a God given right, and the government cannot infringe upon that. Defense against criminals, yes, but also as a means to oppose a tyrannical government should that situation occur.

Another interesting fact: Americans with concealed carry permits are statistically the most law abiding demographic in the country-even more so than police.
 
First off, in America there are far more law abiding gun owners than there are armed criminals. So no, guns are not just for criminals.
It’s hard to imagine that, surreal almost!
I guess guns are for criminals here. But do I need a gun? Nope. I once during the 14 years we lived in this house had to ask a guy to leave our lawn because he was behaving, passing by. In retrospect something could have gone wrong and worst case me being hurt or killed. If I had a gun, would I have incapacitated or killed him. He could have lost his life if I made that decision and I guess (just a guess) if it had been in America it would be matter of self/home defence.

As weird as it seems, if I beat the crap out of someone on my lawn, even in self defense, I am breaking the law. Justice here would have been nice to me, because there are various grey areas in this matter. But a killing would have put me behind bars, even if I accidentally killed the guy.
Interesting fact: Cities in America with the strictest gun laws have the highest crime rates, and cities with the highest percentage of people carrying legally have the lowest crime rates. This statistic really tells you all you need to know.
Yes and no. It tells me crime rates need to come down regardless. What causes problems and crime? Guns isn’t the root cause. But If crime goes up there’s a possibility it leads to an arms race for better or worse right?
As for the Constitutional protection of the right to bear arms, that is actually just as relevant today as it has ever been. The intent behind the Second Amendment was that being able to defend yourself is a God given right, and the government cannot infringe upon that. Defense against criminals, yes, but also as a means to oppose a tyrannical government should that situation occur.
So this implies that God decided this and religion is the baseline for this law? Then I understand why this goes very deep culturally and religiously. Very interesting! One could say this comes from actually coming to a new land and settling there. I don’t believe we could say that Europeans brought this to the new land. The new land required this from the people settling there. I’m being philosophical now…..
Another interesting fact: Americans with concealed carry permits are statistically the most law abiding demographic in the country-even more so than police.
That’s probably because most people are good people.

Thanks for your explanations, because it’s very interesting and admittedly difficult to understand the scope of this for me because of where I live and our culture.

Still, I do believe that there’s many things (very tragic and sad things) that could have been avoided if there weren’t guns around, in USA (and other countries).
 
I'll try to break it down to the most basic and simple concept...

Question: What are you going to do when inescapable mortal danger is seconds away while the police and help are minutes away?

Answer A: Rely on the humane instincts and compassion of the attackers and hope for the best which is entirely out of your control?

Answer B: Defend yourself and your family.

Everyone has to make their own decisions regarding this, and everyone has to live with any consequences of said decisions.
 
It’s hard to imagine that, surreal almost!
I guess guns are for criminals here. But do I need a gun? Nope. I once during the 14 years we lived in this house had to ask a guy to leave our lawn because he was behaving, passing by. In retrospect something could have gone wrong and worst case me being hurt or killed. If I had a gun, would I have incapacitated or killed him. He could have lost his life if I made that decision and I guess (just a guess) if it had been in America it would be matter of self/home defence.

As weird as it seems, if I beat the crap out of someone on my lawn, even in self defense, I am breaking the law. Justice here would have been nice to me, because there are various grey areas in this matter. But a killing would have put me behind bars, even if I accidentally killed the guy.

Yes and no. It tells me crime rates need to come down regardless. What causes problems and crime? Guns isn’t the root cause. But If crime goes up there’s a possibility it leads to an arms race for better or worse right?

So this implies that God decided this and religion is the baseline for this law? Then I understand why this goes very deep culturally and religiously. Very interesting! One could say this comes from actually coming to a new land and settling there. I don’t believe we could say that Europeans brought this to the new land. The new land required this from the people settling there. I’m being philosophical now…..

That’s probably because most people are good people.

Thanks for your explanations, because it’s very interesting and admittedly difficult to understand the scope of this for me because of where I live and our culture.

Still, I do believe that there’s many things (very tragic and sad things) that could have been avoided if there weren’t guns around, in USA (and other countries).

There are over 14 million guns in America. They're not going away, so that line of thinking is a dead end.

As far as actually needing a gun, I don't need a gun any more than I need seat belts, smoke detectors, fire extinguishers, or two ply toilet paper. But I have all of the above. Because life is uncertain.

Next up... Guns and crime. Guns are inanimate objects, they don't do anything on their own. If you think that eliminating guns will reduce crime by any significant margin, look no further than England. They went scorched earth on banning firearms and were very successful with that endeavor. And the violent crime rate was not reduced at all. Now England has a serious problem with people committing crimes with knives. Criminals are at the root of all crime problems, not the tools they use. Take away one tool, they'll find something else.

I carry pretty much everywhere I go. But that doesn't mean that it's my first option for any encounters. In fact, it's my LAST option, when all other attempts to remove myself from a dangerous situation have failed.

The first option is to avoid trouble whenever possible. You don't go looking to start a fight just because you're armed. You go out of your way to AVOID altercations-because you're armed. The use of deadly force is not something to take lightly. It's a serious decision, and the moment you pull the trigger you have started a chain of events that could lead to hundreds of thousands of dollars in lawyer bills, and the potential for incarceration.

In America, even if a shooting is deemed justifiable in a court of law there is still the potential for a civil suit from the bad guy or his/her family. And in many areas. there are district attorneys and judges who are more concerned with their political agendas and careers than they are the rule of law and the Constitution. They'll go after you just to make a name for themselves. I live in one of those areas, so the LAST thing I want to do is even draw on somebody, let alone shoot them. My life would change forever if I did so.

Hope this gives a bit more insight into things...
 
There are over 14 million guns in America. They're not going away, so that line of thinking is a dead end.

As far as actually needing a gun, I don't need a gun any more than I need seat belts, smoke detectors, fire extinguishers, or two ply toilet paper. But I have all of the above. Because life is uncertain.

Next up... Guns and crime. Guns are inanimate objects, they don't do anything on their own. If you think that eliminating guns will reduce crime by any significant margin, look no further than England. They went scorched earth on banning firearms and were very successful with that endeavor. And the violent crime rate was not reduced at all. Now England has a serious problem with people committing crimes with knives. Criminals are at the root of all crime problems, not the tools they use. Take away one tool, they'll find something else.

I carry pretty much everywhere I go. But that doesn't mean that it's my first option for any encounters. In fact, it's my LAST option, when all other attempts to remove myself from a dangerous situation have failed.

The first option is to avoid trouble whenever possible. You don't go looking to start a fight just because you're armed. You go out of your way to AVOID altercations-because you're armed. The use of deadly force is not something to take lightly. It's a serious decision, and the moment you pull the trigger you have started a chain of events that could lead to hundreds of thousands of dollars in lawyer bills, and the potential for incarceration.

In America, even if a shooting is deemed justifiable in a court of law there is still the potential for a civil suit from the bad guy or his/her family. And in many areas. there are district attorneys and judges who are more concerned with their political agendas and careers than they are the rule of law and the Constitution. They'll go after you just to make a name for themselves. I live in one of those areas, so the LAST thing I want to do is even draw on somebody, let alone shoot them. My life would change forever if I did so.

Hope this gives a bit more insight into things...
Thanks. I have no doubts about you, based on what you wrote… or me for that matter. I think we’re both quite sane and responsible people. I do think there’s areas where we could never agree regarding guns, and areas where we agree. I do now have more understanding about the cultural and political depth of “America and guns”, thanks to you. Admittedly I never understood it and always had the mindset that USA is crazy and wrong with the guns. But it’s so deep and many levels, factors that all contribute.
Crime is still the underlying red line (not guns) and the root cause of problems, in any country.
 
Thanks. I have no doubts about you, based on what you wrote… or me for that matter. I think we’re both quite sane and responsible people. I do think there’s areas where we could never agree regarding guns, and areas where we agree. I do now have more understanding about the cultural and political depth of “America and guns”, thanks to you. Admittedly I never understood it and always had the mindset that USA is crazy and wrong with the guns. But it’s so deep and many levels, factors that all contribute.
Crime is still the underlying red line (not guns) and the root cause of problems, in any country.

Also, remember that America was founded when the colonists took up arms and fought the British for the ability to govern themselves. So it's a key element in America's history and culture.
 
Another interesting bit of historical trivia: During WWII, the Imperial Japanese General Staff never considered any plans for invading the continental United States, because they knew they would never survive trying to take on an armed population.

The whole idea behind Pearl Harbor was not to conquer America, but rather to simply dissuade the US from interfering in their other operations in the Pacific by taking out the Pacific fleet-primarily the carriers and battleships. Only Admiral Yokomoto (who had spent time in America, attended university there, and understood American culture) was aware of what would really happen. And he was correct.
 
Look no further than England. They went scorched earth on banning firearms and were very successful with that endeavor. And the violent crime rate was not reduced at all.

That's not really accurate tbh. I'm not going to go into the weeds on that one though cause it's way too political.
 
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