GT-1000 with 3rd party IR sounds diferent than IR loader

[ian_dissonance]

Is the "speaker impedance curve" built into the Boss cab block? I feel like we went through this at some point.

It’s something like that. Not sure if it a real SIC or some sort of multi-band dynamics thing, but it definitely does not work as well stuck to an IR.

Boss fuzted around with this nonsense so long that people will have fully gravitated back towards onboard cabs on everything (Dynacab and Helix cab block) by the time they "get it working"

I stopped using IRs outside of the DAW after the HX cab update. IRs are cool, I like the integrated systems when they sound good. I know I’m flogging a corpse with this line, but if you don’t need specific amp models the Boss stuff can sound pretty awesome (unless you’re Sascha, very precious that one). I guess you might even call it “feel”, but the responsiveness is better than anything else I’ve tried except maybe some Fractal amps.

But yeah, something is kinda “broken” on the IR implementation.

 

[Sascha Franck]

It's just when you start comparing the amp models to real life models in a lot of cases (or all in the Boss' case) where the differences pop up.

Fwiw, I wouldn't even give a damn in case they didn't sound like the real deals - but I defenitely give a damn about them not being able to play the same "role". There's just not one amp model that'd to a great job in delivering a "chunky", gritty sound such as a Marshall, with all the dynamics, pedal friendliness and what not in place. Same goes for, say, a Bassman-ish patch, allowing me to dial in something from high headroom clean to somewhat hairy, again taking pedals well.
These are the two core sounds I live in for 95% of my gigging time - and they're just not in the GT.

 

[JiveTurkey]

It’s something like that. Not sure if it a real SIC or some sort of multi-band dynamics thing, but it definitely does not work as well stuck to an IR.

I stopped using IRs outside of the DAW after the HX cab update. IRs are cool, I like the integrated systems when they sound good. I know I’m flogging a corpse with this line, but if you don’t need specific amp models the Boss stuff can sound pretty awesome (unless you’re Sascha, very precious that one). I guess you might even call it “feel”, but the responsiveness is better than anything else I’ve tried except maybe some Fractal amps.

But yeah, something is kinda “broken” on the IR implementation.

It's for a dead (horse) corpse that rings true though! So much so I only recently stopped using the Boss IR in everything

Fwiw, I wouldn't even give a damn in case they didn't sound like the real deals - but I defenitely give a damn about them not being able to play the same "role". There's just not one amp model that'd to a great job in delivering a "chunky", gritty sound such as a Marshall, with all the dynamics, pedal friendliness and what not in place. Same goes for, say, a Bassman-ish patch, allowing me to dial in something from high headroom clean to somewhat hairy, again taking pedals well.
These are the two core sounds I live in for 95% of my gigging time - and they're just not in the GT.

From time to time; I miss having the GT1000. I know we tend to diverge on the "need specific amps" thought process and modeling overall. If they would have put out a GX1000: I am sure I would have given it a go. The GT has some of those sounds you ask for "ish" (though I am far less precious/picky about those than Mesa stuff) but it's always some weird "have you tried the natural amp boosted by the natural drive" blahblahblah and I am just not going to do that at this stage of the game. I see why you do the Tone-X thing and I also see why Ian keeps it all in the box.

 

[ian_dissonance]

For everything Boss does weird, I don’t feel like I ever have to think about my hardware now. 99.99% confident everything is going to work exactly as I expect it to once it powers on (incredibly quickly ). I’d say it was about 97% with Helix.
I feel like my interpretation of the tones Sascha describes would be pretty easy, but I don’t have to play them.

 

[JiveTurkey]

For everything Boss does weird, I don’t feel like I ever have to think about my hardware now. 99.99% confident everything is going to work exactly as I expect it to once it powers on (incredibly quickly ). I’d say it was about 97% with Helix.
I feel like my interpretation of the tones Sascha describes would be pretty easy, but I don’t have to play them.

I always got along with Boss tones better than the Helix stuff. I liked the Helix Rectifier and the 5150 but nothing else really. Those are my Sascha Marshall and Bassman equivalents.

On the SIC implementation; I am betting there is at least some of it being applied in the Output select modes? Always thought those were weird "I better set it to Hughes and Kettner Triamp 4x12 since that's what I am playing through!"



It almost seemed as if it was being half applied there and the other half in the cab block or something given that both had drastic eq differences vs. using the onboard cabs and Recording out setting. They got out of jail free on that because there are no up to date amps for anyone to give 2 turds about busting out an oscilloscope over.

Some would say it was a smart move on their part

 

[afonsom98]

Seriously, when reading all that stuff (which I've been through as much as it gets myself...), purchasing those Tonex Ones really looks like the best decision ever. Got my amp models sorted and the GT is a great unit to work as a brain and modifying them - no need to ever deal with their funky modeling and even funkier IR loading ideas ever again.

i dont know. i have a tonex as well, with amalgam mesa boogie mark v DI captures, and managed to make the gt-1000 fender twin model sound like mesa clean channel capture, using the same IR and tweaking the model.

 

[Sascha Franck]

I feel like my interpretation of the tones Sascha describes would be pretty easy, but I don’t have to play them.

Might be - but I'm defenitely not the only one sharing these sentiments. There's something *very* weird going on with Boss' iterations of whatever classic amps, something you most often notice when playing somewhat complexed chords (*check*) and making intense use of your volume pot (*check*). I even think they had it better with older COSM amps. Still meaning to do a 1:1 comparison with the GT-10, we shall see...

 

[Sascha Franck]

i dont know. i have a tonex as well, with amalgam mesa boogie mark v DI captures, and managed to make the gt-1000 fender twin model sound like mesa clean channel capture, using the same IR and tweaking the model.

No way I'd even get close to the Tonex sounds I'm using. And I really tried.

 

[afonsom98]

Might be - but I'm defenitely not the only one sharing these sentiments. There's something *very* weird going on with Boss' iterations of whatever classic amps, something you most often notice when playing somewhat complexed chords (*check*) and making intense use of your volume pot (*check*). I even think they had it better with older COSM amps. Still meaning to do a 1:1 comparison with the GT-10, we shall see...

nah, i had a boss gt-100. the gt-1000 is better

 

[afonsom98]

No way I'd even get close to the Tonex sounds I'm using. And I really tried.

the cleans are easy to replicate. high-gain, not so much

 

[ian_dissonance]

Might be - but I'm defenitely not the only one sharing these sentiments. There's something *very* weird going on with Boss' iterations of whatever classic amps, something you most often notice when playing somewhat complexed chords (*check*) and making intense use of your volume pot (*check*). I even think they had it better with older COSM amps. Still meaning to do a 1:1 comparison with the GT-10, we shall see...

Yeah, I never touch the non-original models really. I can get sounds I like out of a few of them but there is definitely something off.

 

[ChordInversion]

It’s something like that. Not sure if it a real SIC or some sort of multi-band dynamics thing, but it definitely does not work as well stuck to an IR.

I stopped using IRs outside of the DAW after the HX cab update. IRs are cool, I like the integrated systems when they sound good. I know I’m flogging a corpse with this line, but if you don’t need specific amp models the Boss stuff can sound pretty awesome (unless you’re Sascha, very precious that one). I guess you might even call it “feel”, but the responsiveness is better than anything else I’ve tried except maybe some Fractal amps.

But yeah, something is kinda “broken” on the IR implementation.

Yep. I don't use their IR implementation. But I sure love X-Crunch. I just think of their stuff as being full of their own amp models, then use it when the sound and response work for a given idea.

 

[Sascha Franck]

the cleans are easy to replicate.

I absolutely disagree. The GT amps compress as if there's no tomorrow. All of them.

 

[afonsom98]

I absolutely disagree. The GT amps compress as if there's no tomorrow. All of them.

yes, but the tone can still be similar, if you tweak. the feel is another topic

 

[Sascha Franck]

yes, but the tone can still be similar, if you tweak. the feel is another topic

No, the feel is absolutely part of the "tone".

 

[afonsom98]

No, the feel is absolutely part of the "tone".

agree to disagree, my friend

 

[Sascha Franck]

agree to disagree, my friend

What is it even that you disagree with? Are you saying the playing feel - hence the dynamics and what not - isn't part of a guitar tone?

 

[The Interceptor]

i dont know. i have a tonex as well, with amalgam mesa boogie mark v DI captures, and managed to make the gt-1000 fender twin model sound like mesa clean channel capture, using the same IR and tweaking the model.

Care to describe your settings?