Gen Z dont give a F**k

How much more can someone become detached from analog?? :idk


Is that peak disengagement from reality?? :LOL:

Devil’s Advocate time-

We’re a bunch of guitar players who watch other guitar players and socialize in an internet space with other guitar players while not playing guitar. Swap the guitars out for game controllers and it’s the same thing. The streamers tend to gain their own communities and while I don’t watch them, I’ve seen a ton of different clips from various streamers in all the streamer freak out videos I’ve watched, it seems like the game almost doesn’t matter as much as the social aspect does in the same way that guys like Leon or Pete Thorn do livestreams and different pieces of gear can be the focus.

I wrestled for a long time over the idea of video games being a waste of time or not, I was quite conflicted about it due to the amount of time I put into GTA V (9 full months of game play….3/4’s of a fucking year) and ultimately I settled on the idea that while I didn’t create anything with the game itself, it was the community of players I was in a crew with that kept me coming back and we created a lot of laughs and friendships in that time, the game was kind of like a soundtrack to the laughs and socializing, just a highly interactive soundtrack.

Of course, that speaks nothing for the stereotypical gamers who just antagonize people and act like morons over the mic, or the people that don’t socialize at all but put mass amounts of time in….I can’t really speak on that, I’m too baked and I’ll write 4 more paragraphs.
 
Rappers are the new guitar gods these days. Guitar based music, while still out there, isn't nearly as prevalent in the music world as it used to be.
 
it seems like the game almost doesn’t matter as much as the social aspect does in the same way that guys like Leon or Pete Thorn do livestreams and different pieces of gear can be the focus.
This is exactly it. My spouse is an avid Twitch stream watcher. When she's on her computer and not listening to thrash metal :giggle:, she is likely to have a Twitch stream on for some game she likes (often in the Final Fantasy series), that she has played through many times herself. It's much less about watching a streamer speedrun a game, and all about that specific streamer and interacting with the community whether it's silly memes, talking with the streamer, reacting to events in the game.

This is basically the same thing what we do on this forum. We might also watch e.g a live stream with our favorite guitarists, amp designers etc talking about their shit, being able to ask questions from them and so on. Sometimes it's just background noise you can follow without focusing too much while doing something else, more like listening to a podcast. It's all about the personalities.

I also watch game streaming occasionally and it's the same thing - I watch e.g streamers that play Dark Souls games because I like those, I enjoy seeing people who are way better than me beat some incredibly high difficulty tiers or try out some weird mods to these games that e.g randomize enemies, items and bosses, effectively creating new experiences. There's a guy called Hey Zeus Here's Toast who did a Bloodborne speedrun at Awesome Games Done Quick. He was narrating it as if it was a football game, it was hilarious.

Which brings up a point: watching game streamers can be the same thing as watching a real world sports game. Even though playing those games is more fun, we still like watching people at the top level play them. Competitive gaming is not called eSports for nothing and even if the players are not physical athletes, it takes a lot of work to become really good at a specific game.

There's a lot of streamers that I cannot stand but appeal to kids. They generally have extreme reactions to anything and constantly yell at the mic, it's exhausting. They play a character on stream rather than rely on their own personality. They are the Glenn Frickers of game streaming.

I wrestled for a long time over the idea of video games being a waste of time or not, I was quite conflicted about it due to the amount of time I put into GTA V (9 full months of game play….3/4’s of a fucking year) and ultimately I settled on the idea that while I didn’t create anything with the game itself, it was the community of players I was in a crew with that kept me coming back and we created a lot of laughs and friendships in that time, the game was kind of like a soundtrack to the laughs and socializing, just a highly interactive soundtrack.

Of course, that speaks nothing for the stereotypical gamers who just antagonize people and act like morons over the mic, or the people that don’t socialize at all but put mass amounts of time in….I can’t really speak on that, I’m too baked and I’ll write 4 more paragraphs.
Me and a friend of mine have very different approaches to video games. He likes multiplayer games for the reasons you describe, while I can't stand the toxic communities and how much you need to play these games to be good at them. So I mostly play single player games only, even though I can sink a lot of time into those as well.

To bring this all back to music, the way we listen to it has changed. Music used to be a separate activity where you'd just gather together to listen to music. With portable solutions, streaming etc becoming possible it has become a side activity, so I'm not surprised there are less people who are very invested in music itself. Even I do most of my listening while working from home, where music is on the background. Traveling somewhere is really the time when I actually pay more attention because you have less visual stimuli if you are e.g driving between cities or on a train or plane.
 
This is basically the same thing what we do on this forum. We might also watch e.g a live stream with our favorite guitarists, amp designers etc talking about their shit, being able to ask questions from them and so on.

Amen.

Things have just moved on.
Before the net (and even for some of the earlier years), music has been an immense socialization thing. Simply because there hasn't been too much else. Back in the days, musicians were the stars you could identify with the easiest way, pretty much everything else wasn't as widespread and usually much more expensive, too (soccer possibly being a kind of exception over here, perhaps some other sports in other countries). So music was a very common rather low denominator. You could make that identification part of your style by dressing in a certain way, you could read and buy mags and you could meat with similarily minded folks, go to clubs playing that music, etc.
It's much more diverse these days and things may as well have worn off. Add to this that other interests may have an even lower entry level bar, such as gaming. Every 8y-old pretty much knows how to game on mobile devices and 2-3 years later they want to meet online with their gaming mates. No wonder these folks watch Twitch - as much as we might not be able to understand that at all.
Also add to all this that music turned into something pretty much arbitrary. It's always there in one form or the other. It doesn't even cost you waiting for your favourite radio/TV show anymore, let alone walking to the record store. Music is just there, it kinda turned into a wallpaper, into background noise, whatever. It's something that is accepted but nothing special.
Back when I started, people were wow-ing when I told them I'd play guitar in a band and was having a gig. And while we might be back to that point some day (just because it got rare), by now the equivalent would possibly be to run a YT channel with 20k followers.

And fwiw, it's not generation Z I'm worried about when it comes to music. IMO AI will change things in *much* more drastical ways,
 
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My take on it is from my own experience with my kids in their early 20's, They still care a lot about music, but like a lot of things, what they are being fed is garbage compared to my tastes. The music industry is pretty much forcing them in this since most of what is being put out there is usually someone that looks the part and with autotune, they really don't have to sing well as long as they can entertain.

Kids have most always chosen music that their parents don't like, so combine that with the music industry's current direction and you get sub-par results, IMO. It's always cheaper to put someone who doesnt sing well in front of a mic and then pay sounds tech's and song writers to make them sound good vs paying really good musicians to due the job. That = more profits to the music exec's.

BTW, my son likes Nirvana, The Cult, and other rock now, but refused to listen to it when he was a pre-teen & teenager, so there is hope once they grow up a little:rofl
 
And fwiw, it's not generation Z I'm worried about when it comes to music. IMO AI will change things in *much* more drastical ways,
If autotune has reduced the talent required for a frontman or -woman in a pop group, the next step is most likely AI replacing all the Swedish songwriters who are responsible for writing the hit songs for various popular artists.

Maybe we will eventually see a backlash to all this where people start to want that their music is more "real", with "raw" singing, real instruments and so on.
 
Maybe we will eventually see a backlash to all this where people start to want that their music is more "real", with "raw" singing, real instruments and so on.
To be fair, there is a lot of that already. Mainly in the folk, bluegrass, indie genres.
 
Maybe we will eventually see a backlash to all this where people start to want that their music is more "real", with "raw" singing, real instruments and so on.

Future AI versions will be able to deliver that as well. Even with ease. And it's not unlikely that the lot of us, even if we're not 20 anymore, will witness that.
 
I guess I’m kind of more like Miles Davis w/out the talent … not really playing for the crowd. I do it for me and AI can’t change that.

Artificial Intelligence Ai GIF
 
Consider the radio in the 70's and 80's apart from record store it's where we:
Heard concert announcements
Heard new music
Basically it was out lifeline to music and all things live, not so much anymore -at all.
 
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