Fractal Talk

[BROCKSTAR]

Axe-Fx III Firmware 32.00 Public Beta #2

Fixes wrong gain pot taper in 5153 Stealth Red model. https://www.fractalaudio.com/downloads/firmware-presets/axe-fx-3/32p0/axefxiii_dsp_rel_32p00_beta2.zip Axe-Fx III Firmware Release Notes 32.00 Improved power tube grid modeling in Amp block. Improved frequency response accuracy for amp...

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[PorcinePicker]

Yeah sure, but then you would not get the `new reverbs - delay - amps - useful new stuff.
I hope for a new normal FW option, were new things gets added, but the old sounds stay the same. Sure if there is a bug, fix it. But to "remaster" amps all the time just looks wierd ( from the outside )

Like:
Axe Fx VI gets new engine - and new stuff and after a few years.. sure new engien might be cool

I think folks would be more happy with this, I would. As I got tired of sounds not sounding the same when I had my Axe Fx II after years of FW updates.

I think some folks would be more happy with this. I'd be heartbroken, and I'm definitely not alone.

Essentially, you're arguing that one group of users has to suffer because another group of users can't put off updating until they have time to make (minor) changes to their gigging patches. Sorry, I just don't see the logic in that.

 

[SeeD]

I think some folks would be more happy with this. I'd be heartbroken, and I'm definitely not alone.

Essentially, you're arguing that one group of users has to suffer because another group of users can't put off updating until they have time to make (minor) changes to their gigging patches. Sorry, I just don't see the logic in that.

So if your presets were the same for a long time, even when getting new stuff....you would be heartbroken??

All im saying is that this is, folks gigging, recording, making music, that is why I use these things. Not to tweak my presets all the time

 

[TubeStack]

I really hope Fractal gets a NAM player (block) option, as it just looks like the amp modeling is changing every few month.
With good NAM captures, the sound would not change at least

 

[Frodebro]

No matter what Fractal/Line6/Kemper/Boss/Neural/etc does, there will be people who are thrilled and people who will bitch.

 

[AlbertA]

I think some folks would be more happy with this. I'd be heartbroken, and I'm definitely not alone.

Essentially, you're arguing that one group of users has to suffer because another group of users can't put off updating until they have time to make (minor) changes to their gigging patches. Sorry, I just don't see the logic in that.

You could have it both ways but that has implications and most likely significantly more effort by Fractal in maintaining such a system.

You could have all the versions of the modeling engine in code and the patch would reference which modeling version you used at the time, then a user could select, "always use latest modeling engine" or "don't update my presets to latest version". But that also has implication on the UI and parameters exposed (like when new ones are added or old ones removed).

 

[AlbertA]

I really hope Fractal gets a NAM player (block) option, as it just looks like the amp modeling is changing every few month.
With good NAM captures, the sound would not change at least

next gen should have NAM from Fractal's comments.

 

[laxu]

You could have all the versions of the modeling engine in code and the patch would reference which modeling version you used at the time, then a user could select, "always use latest modeling engine" or "don't update my presets to latest version". But that also has implication on the UI and parameters exposed (like when new ones are added or old ones removed).

They used to let you go back to a previous modeling version but I guess it took too much memory they could've used for something more useful so they removed it.

IMO the changes to modeling have never been such that it "ruined" my presets.

 

[JiveTurkey]

If you want nothing to change; just buy something from Boss.

 

[SeeD]

next gen should have NAM from Fractal's comments.

Yeah, that si a good move

 

[AlbertA]

IMO the changes to modeling have never been such that it "ruined" my presets.

For me it has, at least 4-5 times - where my patches changed significantly - I just don't bitch about it.

More if I count Axe-Fx I and Axe-Fx II eras.

 

[SeeD]

I have a Unit ( been 5 years) my first good sounding preset still sounds the same. Im happy. But I still have new FW things getting added ( some of the time... ) See what I did there? haha.

My presets broke a lot when I had my Axe Fx II.. I was not happy with this. I could stop updating, but then I dont get new stuff
And I will not dip my toe in Fractal land, if this is not changing

 

[dean701]

I'm surprised he's still finding wrong component values in his models after all these years. I understand why you might re-examine something when it gets called out as not being consistent with the real amp model in terms of sound or behavior (as was the case for the Friedman BE and Peavey 5150 models), but who out there was calling for the volume pot taper on the Dr. Z Maz 38 model to be corrected?

I applaud Cliff's ethos of always pursuing improvement.

Not to intentionally sound unpopular.The constant changes and retooling of presets is my biggest and maybe only real beef with Fractal. I understand his rationale for perfection and he does work very hard.
It's a constant wave. Ax3 gets adjusted again, then it gets cascaded to all platforms. Fm9 the fm3, am4, vp4. Will ICONs get all the updates too I wonder?
FOMO hits hard so I always end up trying the new codes.

 

[SeeD]

Not to intentionally sound unpopular.The constant changes and retooling of presets is my biggest and maybe only real beef with Fractal. I understand his rationale for perfection and he does work very hard.
It's a constant wave. Ax3 gets adjusted again, then it gets cascaded to all platforms. Fm9 the fm3, am4, vp4. Will ICONs get all the updates too I wonder?
FOMO hits hard so I always end up trying the new codes.

This is going to happen to ICONS as well ( I would think), and yes i agree that this the only thing I dont like with Fractal. It sounds really good, I had my unit for over 10 years. Cliff works hard! I`ve seen it for years

I dont get when this is looked at as bitching at all ( presets brake ) It`s a real thing

 

[AlbertA]

Will ICONs get all the updates too I wonder?

Yes - https://forum.fractalaudio.com/threads/axe-fx-iii-firmware-32-00-public-beta-2.219118/#post-2759906

 

[dean701]

This is going to happen to ICONS as well ( I would think), and yes i agree that this the only thing I dont like with Fractal. It sounds really good, I had my unit for over 10 years. Cliff works hard! I`ve seen it for years

I dont get when this is looked at as bitching at all ( presets brake ) It`s a real thing

I can see why some would construe it as bitching. Unfortunately sometimes it's impactful though so I think there is justification. From fw9 to 11, there have been alot of changes that are reflected in the cpu. I had to change a lot of presets that went up to 85 percent from 79. Regardless it usually sounds great.

 

[Frodebro]

This is going to happen to ICONS as well ( I would think), and yes i agree that this the only thing I dont like with Fractal. It sounds really good, I had my unit for over 10 years. Cliff works hard! I`ve seen it for years

I dont get when this is looked at as bitching at all ( presets brake ) It`s a real thing

It’s bitching only because everybody knows that most updates to the modeling engine are going to result in changes to the sound. Otherwise, you will have people bitching that the modeling is long in the tooth and needs to be updated.

So no matter what Fractal does, there will be people bitching.

 

[SeeD]

It’s bitching only because everybody knows that most updates to the modeling engine are going to result in changes to the sound. Otherwise, you will have people bitching that the modeling is long in the tooth and needs to be updated.

So no matter what Fractal does, there will be people bitching.

Do Line6 brake presets?
Do NDSP brake prestes?

Who other do this?

Few years, then maybe update the Amp code, but still make new cool things along the way, adding to the overall divices. Sounds bad? I would say that sounds good for a PRO unit

 

[Blix]

Maybe it's the amps I stick to, but I have never really had to redo a preset after a fw change, the changes have been pretty minimal/nuanced to me.

 

[Frodebro]

Do Line6 brake presets?
Do NDSP brake prestes?

Who other do this?

Few years, then maybe update the Amp code, but still make new cool things along the way, adding to the overall divices. Sounds bad? I would say that sounds good for a PRO unit

Are you talking about presets that actually will not load anymore? That would be a broken preset. Or a preset that bricks the unit. But sounding different isn’t a broken preset.