Fractal Talk

[Elric]

I honestly felt like the 10 user cab slots on the Axe-FX Ultra was a lot. I still do.

I’ll be contrarian. On modern devices its relatively easy to provide storage. There’s no excuse to limit a big ticket over the top kind of processor like the AxeFx III in terms of IR slots. Mine is completely full and I have way more I would not mind loading on there. I’d love to have every IR I have on the device and use it as my librarian rather than a directory on my computer, etc.

If you want to only use 5-10 slots you can do that too. No judgement.

There’s zero point in limiting it on higher end devices where the design/cost trade off is negligible. On a floor processor fine, there are a lot design constraints in that realm especially as you get to really price sensitive targets where everything counts toward the final cost.

But I like modelers for their options that’s their value proposition, so on a flag ship for the premier innovator in the industry that costs in the well over $2K+ range it should absolutely be/feel over the top in terms of capability/options.

Dynacabs have limited the utility of IRs on the Axe but really I don’t get b*tching about something being too capable. If you want a limited device get one of the lower end units.

IMHO.

 

[Orvillain]

I'd like to make a Dyna-Cab of my Egnater Tourmaster cab. There's something really special about it to me. I love the balance of frequencies. Even other V30 cabs I've played don't quite sound the same. It's my goldilocks cab!

 

[KHAAAAAAANNNNNNN!!!!!!!!]

I'd like to make a Dyna-Cab of my Egnater Tourmaster cab. There's something really special about it to me. I love the balance of frequencies. Even other V30 cabs I've played don't quite sound the same. It's my goldilocks cab!

I thought there would be a lot of 3rd party Dyna-Cabs by now. But so far I only know of the York Audio Mesa and I think a Dr. Bonkers SVT cab. There could be more I'm not aware of.

I guess the profit margin isn't there when you have to rent their robot and (I think) buy the software.

 

[LP59]

I thought there would be a lot of 3rd party Dyna-Cabs by now. But so far I only know of the York Audio Mesa and I think a Dr. Bonkers SVT cab. There could be more I'm not aware of.

I guess the profit margin isn't there when you have to rent their robot and (I think) buy the software.

The problem is there is no way to get a 3rd party dynacab into the AxeFX, except by flattening it in CabLab, which is far from a true DynaCab user experience.

 

[Orvillain]

I thought there would be a lot of 3rd party Dyna-Cabs by now. But so far I only know of the York Audio Mesa and I think a Dr. Bonkers SVT cab. There could be more I'm not aware of.

I guess the profit margin isn't there when you have to rent their robot and (I think) buy the software.

Barrier to entry is too high. You can rent a setup from Fractal to do it. Not sure how much. But those Dynamount setups are not cheap, and you have to pay extra to access the scripting API in order to automate the entire process as well.

Could do with some more competition in this area tbh.

 

[LP59]

I’ll be contrarian. On modern devices its relatively easy to provide storage. There’s no excuse to limit a big ticket over the top kind of processor like the AxeFx III in terms of IR slots. Mine is completely full and I have way more I would not mind loading on there. I’d love to have every IR I have on the device and use it as my librarian rather than a directory on my computer, etc.

If you want to only use 5-10 slots you can do that too. No judgement.

There’s zero point in limiting it on higher end devices where the design/cost trade off is negligible. On a floor processor fine, there are a lot design constraints in that realm especially as you get to really price sensitive targets where everything counts toward the final cost.

But I like modelers for their options that’s their value proposition, so on a flag ship for the premier innovator in the industry that costs in the well over $2K+ range it should absolutely be/feel over the top in terms of capability/options.

Dynacabs have limited the utility of IRs on the Axe but really I don’t get b*tching about something being too capable. If you want a limited device get one of the lower end units.

IMHO.

It's easy to provide storage, but hard to provide navigation that doesn't make searching through the IR slots a painful hunt for a needle in a haystack. More is better, but unless it's done properly, it's not necessarily useful.

 

[Orvillain]

It's easy to provide storage, but hard to provide navigation that doesn't make searching through the IR slots a painful hunt for a needle in a haystack. More is better, but unless it's done properly, it's not necessarily useful.

Honestly, I can think of lots of different ways to do that, which doesn't rely on a banking system, and doesn't rely on huge lists.

You could add meta-data to aid filtering. You could add tags, categories, a character slider where it filters down IR's based on bright or dark, similarity searching, microphone matching across different libraries, grouping methologies etc.

 

[LP59]

Honestly, I can think of lots of different ways to do that, which doesn't rely on a banking system, and doesn't rely on huge lists.

You could add meta-data to aid filtering. You could add tags, categories, a character slider where it filters down IR's based on bright or dark, similarity searching, microphone matching across different libraries, grouping methologies etc.

And, hash codes so you can move IRs, a librarian UI for navigation, annotations, ratings, sorting, previews, etc.

The list of things that could be done, but have not been done, to make IR navigation better, is very long indeed.

 

[GTR37]

I thought there would be a lot of 3rd party Dyna-Cabs by now. But so far I only know of the York Audio Mesa and I think a Dr. Bonkers SVT cab. There could be more I'm not aware of.

I guess the profit margin isn't there when you have to rent their robot and (I think) buy the software.

Unrelated somewhat but I have no idea where York audio is , I thought maybe he is out on tour but there have really been no updates since his Dyna pack Recto
And his YA Facebook has been dead quiet to
Hope is ok
Was a great guy to see posting on the forums Awesome clips and tips

 

[unix-guy]

Unrelated somewhat but I have no idea where York audio is , I thought maybe he is out on tour but there have really been no updates since his Dyna pack Recto
And his YA Facebook has been dead quiet to
Hope is ok
Was a great guy to see posting on the forums Awesome clips and tips

Yeah... Silent for 13 months on the Fractal forum.

I did get a Black Friday email from York Audio today.

And earlier this week someone did mention getting a response from him somewhere.

Also hope everything is good with Justin.

 

[Elric]

It's easy to provide storage, but hard to provide navigation that doesn't make searching through the IR slots a painful hunt for a needle in a haystack. More is better, but unless it's done properly, it's not necessarily useful.

Sure. But that’s not a terribly difficult problem. Lots of other vendors do a decent job of this. Folders, filters, etc.

 

[LP59]

Sure. But that’s not a terribly difficult problem. Lots of other vendors do a decent job of this. Folders, filters, etc.

Tell that to Fractal Audio (And Line6 and NDSP and Fender etc. )

 

[MirrorProfiles]

Barrier to entry is too high. You can rent a setup from Fractal to do it. Not sure how much. But those Dynamount setups are not cheap, and you have to pay extra to access the scripting API in order to automate the entire process as well.

Could do with some more competition in this area tbh.

Need you to make your own (that’s superior) that does interpolation, normalisation and natural phase IR’s properly.

 

[Orvillain]

Need you to make your own (that’s superior) that does interpolation, normalisation and natural phase IR’s properly.

I've got a Trello board for it already!! That makes it a real project!

 

[Frodebro]

See you in 6 months when you get an AXE-FX 3

I do recall that my comment to you after your FM9 purchase was "Countdown to Axe-FX 3 in 10... 9... 8..."

 

[Dimiguitar]

I'm not interested in the dyna cabs added on the FM3 12 beta firmware.

That said, even if we loose IR slots, probably most would find it preferable for the unit to keep up with dyna cabs on the III?

At some point I did keep a large library of IRs on the fm3. But these days it's quite clear which get used more and which less if at all.

I only keep the ones loaded that are needed for the results I currently want.

 

[Orvillain]

I definitely wouldn't want to lose IR slots, but I'd like to be able to sacrifice them to store Dyna-Cabs on. I'd also like Axe FX III friendly versions of existing dyna-cab packs.

 

[laxu]

Barrier to entry is too high. You can rent a setup from Fractal to do it. Not sure how much. But those Dynamount setups are not cheap, and you have to pay extra to access the scripting API in order to automate the entire process as well.

Could do with some more competition in this area tbh.

I'd add that having to go through Fractal for that also rules out non-US residents pretty quickly. Shipping is expensive.
It would help a lot if you could just buy a Dynamount and e.g Cab Lab would have the support to use it correctly to churn out Dyna-Cab data.

Still, you'd have to sell a lot of Dyna-Cabs to even recoup the cost of the Dynamount.

We could really use a standard format for multi-mic cab packs that all products support so whether you load it into a Fractal, QC or HX Stadium, it'll work.

 

[Orvillain]

Still, you'd have to sell a lot of Dyna-Cabs to even recoup the cost of the Dynamount.

Call it £2000 for the Dyna-Mount setup with the API to control it (which is very restrictive as well btw; the license only covers 1 unit for a start!!)

Your IR pack is beefy so you charge $49 for it, like the others in the store.

That means you need to sell 41 units to break even on the Dyna-Mount setup. Doesn't account for production time, hosting costs, or any kind of living wage.

The only way it would make sense for a 3rd party to do, is if they were running an IR empire and it was doing well. But I think the bottom line is - the market is moving away from IR's. People want the stock IR's on their devices, or in their DAW's, to just sound good and to just work.

 

[Dimiguitar]

I definitely wouldn't want to lose IR slots, but I'd like to be able to sacrifice them to store Dyna-Cabs on. I'd also like Axe FX III friendly versions of existing dyna-cab packs.

How many IRs do you have saved on the III?