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Jarick
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I can do everything except FC and switch controller stuff with the front panel but it's clunky. But my Axe 3 is currently in the corner of my room so I do everything on the computer editor.
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Haha! I was totally being a sarcastic asshole, Drew. with my "Oh wow, I did not know that." comment.
When anyone talks down to me (not you) like I am an utter doofus (which is a possibility),
that's what happens with my response 11 times out of 10.
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TSJMajesty
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I read that FM9 thread where the guy was claiming the VC had gotten worse since one of the recent updates. I can empathize to a degree (and he wasn't alone), but what I'm wondering is if anyone knows if it only affects the VC, or anything that uses the Pitch Block, and specifically in the Axe Fx.
I haven't updated in a while, since I'm totally satisfied with my presets as-is, but I'm "New factory presets-curious," which means I'd have to update.
But if there's a chance the Dual Detune in the Pitch Block is gonna be negatively affected, I won't. I like, and use that, effect a lot, and don't want to find out it's borked in any way.
And I don't dare go ask this over there!
@DrewJD82 didn't you have some Whammy issues?
If we're in territory where new updates make legacy features go backwards, maybe it's getting near the EOL???
I haven't updated in a while, since I'm totally satisfied with my presets as-is, but I'm "New factory presets-curious," which means I'd have to update.
But if there's a chance the Dual Detune in the Pitch Block is gonna be negatively affected, I won't. I like, and use that, effect a lot, and don't want to find out it's borked in any way.
And I don't dare go ask this over there!
@DrewJD82 didn't you have some Whammy issues?
If we're in territory where new updates make legacy features go backwards, maybe it's getting near the EOL???
AlbertA
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The thing about that thread is nobody has posted any clips of comparison. I would have thought by page 2/3 you would get a "See, here's how it sounds in v7, here's at v8"
What version are you on?
I mean if you are curious, what I would do is, first back everything up, including system settings, etc.
Record a sample using the current firmware so you can refer to it.
Make sure you have the firmware version file for the version you are on
Upgrade and test.
Downgrade if not happy, restore your backup.
Yeah I know - it's a lot of work.
How come? Have they piled you on other things before?And I don't dare go ask this over there!
I think there's been updates over the years where algos may make different trade-offs which satisfy some and displease others. I don't think it's indicative of EOL IMO.
That being said - I do wish that Fractal would come up with a system where algorithm changes where always additive and one as a user could still have access to the old algos without resorting to never updating firmware versions again- that would go a long way to keep patches from sounding different.
TSJMajesty
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Yeah, as soon as I read your first few words I realized that this is something I could just test myself.
No, but with how things played out, I just didn't want to bother rocking that particular boat. It's not all that important to me (getting the new presets. The Dual Delay is.)
It's just with this one, it seems (to me) like there's a real tradeoff with DSP starting to happen. The new Comps pull down more processing power, the whole thing with not having enough power according to Cliff to do what needs to be done for the VC to do its thing. I'm paraphrasing from memory...
And I'm certain Cliff has said something to the effect (maybe it was here somewhere) of not wanting to add certain features that have been heavily requested, because he knows he'd have to "disable" (my word) other functions, and that people would inevitably bitch. Which is understandable, imo.
So if that's what he's running up against more and more, that's kind of why I said what I said about maybe nearing EOL.
A big reason why I bought into modelers in the first place was the whole, getting extra features with new FW updates, component. To me, that's a huge selling point, and whether it's literally stated on their website or not, pretty much everyone (except for those completely naive-to-modelers) knows this to be true, going in.
So for that reason, I think updates should always be 'additive,' and if it's going to negatively affect already-existing features, regardless of how many people have come to rely on them, then maybe don't include that in the update. Or make it a standalone, (if that's even possible.) But the answer always given someone in that situation is, "Well, you don't need to update."
Which is true, but that also means that person can never update from that point on.
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I'm sure!
I've often thought about it as a house that's been added onto several times, to the point where you need to walk through a bedroom to use the hall bathroom.
I've actually been on jobs, where once we see the amount of work involved to give the customer what they want, we all just say, "They should just tear this house down and build a new one."
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I read that FM9 thread where the guy was claiming the VC had gotten worse since one of the recent updates. I can empathize to a degree (and he wasn't alone), but what I'm wondering is if anyone knows if it only affects the VC, or anything that uses the Pitch Block, and specifically in the Axe Fx.
I haven't updated in a while, since I'm totally satisfied with my presets as-is, but I'm "New factory presets-curious," which means I'd have to update.
But if there's a chance the Dual Detune in the Pitch Block is gonna be negatively affected, I won't. I like, and use that, effect a lot, and don't want to find out it's borked in any way.
And I don't dare go ask this over there!
@DrewJD82 didn't you have some Whammy issues?
If we're in territory where new updates make legacy features go backwards, maybe it's getting near the EOL???
Yep, when I engage the Pitch block on the Classic Whammy setting bringing the Whammy to 0% still has this chorus-y effect to it it didn’t previously have, which I believe I dealt with with the FM9 last year and ended up assigning the bypass state to an Expression pedal as well, so it’d just turn off when not in use.
For some reason I have it in my head that this didn’t work with the III, but I could be misremembering. Either way, it’d be AWESOME to have any kind improvement to the pitch block, period. I don’t mind assigning the Bypass state to it, but it’d still be cooler to have no noticeable issue when the Whammy is at 0%. Edit- I'm wrong, Bypassing it works just fine.
I haven’t used the VC in quite a while, I can’t really comment on that.
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TSJMajesty
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Thanks. If you get a chance, could you compare it to the III? Assuming you have them both updated past the point where this issue exists. (Ducks for cover. Oh wait, this isn't FAS forum. haha)
Me neither. I've actually been going back to my presets that had -5 and re-saving them with it bypassed, since I now have a real 7 string.
Once I get off my ass and re-string/re-tune/setup my other Majesties for C and D std, I most likely won't use it at all.
It would be nice if it still worked well enough for the occasional half-step down though.
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There's no winning answer for Cliff or anyone who is updating these devices. Something always gets sacrificed in these processes. I find myself always hitting that gatekeeping button no matter how hard I try not to because nothing else sounds anywhere near as good to my ears with less work in the modeler space. Fractal userbase (myself included) can be super entitled because they are always getting new stuff. It would be a hard standard to live up to.
As far as pitch stuff goes, I've never liked any of it. Even the Boss stuff which has a dedicated pickup or the Drop which has a dull, blunt attack to it a hair bit of latency to it.
As far as pitch stuff goes, I've never liked any of it. Even the Boss stuff which has a dedicated pickup or the Drop which has a dull, blunt attack to it a hair bit of latency to it.
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#buymoreguitars?
JiveTurkey
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That's my go to to which then always generates the replies that they are staying in a room the size of a floor tile, they only use $50 power amps, etc. etc. etc.
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I actually don’t even have the desktop editor installed. My current fm3 has never been connected to a computer, all editing done only on the device.
The best way to learn is to just unplug it from the computer and spend some time with it. Most of it is pretty simple once you get used to it
The best way to learn is to just unplug it from the computer and spend some time with it. Most of it is pretty simple once you get used to it
TSJMajesty
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Read my mind!
FM9 Firmware Version 9.03 public beta 1
FM9 Firmware Version 9.03 public beta 1 is now available for download: https://www.fractalaudio.com/downloads/firmware-presets/fm9/9p0/fm9_dsp_rel_9p03_public_beta_1.zip An updated version of FM9-Edit is required for use with this release...
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It’ll have to wait until I get back into my apartment on Friday. I got most my stuff packed up due to the entire building having no power, thus no way to keep any cameras on. All the cool shit is stashed in closets and under the bed.
Frodebro
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My Axe FX is almost always tethered to my computer on my desk, but the FM9 is usually tweaked on the unit itself. And I agree, they’re not that difficult to get around on them once you actually stop moaning bout the UI and actually spend some time with it.
paisleywookiee
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So now my FM9 will sound better?! Always a good thing. Looking forward to the Angry Chuck the most though.
Frodebro
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I played around with it very briefly after updating my Axe FX, but quickly moved on because I didn’t want to get too hooked on it until it was ported to the FM9, which is where I would actually use it with the band.
