Fractal Talk

[Blix]

Funny thing I don't really use the DynaCabs, my go-to York and OH does the trick. But I really like the Dyna-Scholz for some tones.

 

[TheTrueZoltan!]

@GTR37 The included IRs are processed, I don't think the amp model itself is. When I use my usual favourite IRs it sounds rather natural to me.

 

[GTR37]

The fractal line has always sounded the most congested/darkest of all modeling units. For better or worse.

Every modeling unit has their own "personality" they add imo

I would tend to
Agree, but if you notice most of the firmware’s that actually brighten things up tend to get the “ my tones are really harsh and sizzling now “
It’s kind of funny
That said I can use any of them NDSP Fractal , Helix
For my tastes I would say the Helix is the most work tweaking just a preset

 

[GTR37]

@GTR37 The included IRs are processed, I don't think the amp model itself is. When I use my usual favourite IRs it sounds rather natural to me.

That’s fair , I am judging it based on just the vids Euge and He posted where they are using the cabs in the plug-in

 

[Mongillo19]

I would tend to
Agree, but if you notice most of the firmware’s that actually brighten things up tend to get the “ my tones are really harsh and sizzling now “
It’s kind of funny
That said I can use any of them NDSP Fractal , Helix
For my tastes I would say the Helix is the most work tweaking just a preset

Sure but real amps have sizzle to them. I'm hoping Cliff takes some of the user feedback into his modeling but I'd rather it just be as accurate as possible to the amp.

 

[- ★ - BROCKSTAR - ★ -]

Ok here's a new one for you all. I call this one "LONELY FOLLOWER". The block is based on the crystal echoes pitch block.

You need a expression pedal set for external 1 for fm3, fm9, axefx and pedal 1 for vp4 in order to use this. It's also stereo so best to place the block after your amp/cab but experiment where you like it.

Basically just a normal like stereo / ping-pong delay but when you press the expression pedal down, everything slows down which gives you the impression that your delay got deep and dark and slurring under your normal playing. Also kinda gives it a vibe where you slow a record/vinyl down too!

0:00 to 0:30 is the Fractal VP4 and 0:37 to the end is FM9


Again, I couldn't get a 100% match between the two even though I tried like hard, but something seems to be off between the two on the tempo and feedback side but I got them close enough.

FIND THE DOWNLOAD HERE - https://forum.fractalaudio.com/thre...ocks-thread-multi-model-edition.177536/page-4

 

[Joshual-L]

The differences between 9.01 and 10 are hugely obvious - I don't think I've heard a FW make this much change

The reduced fizz and crackle in the top end and mids is just huge !

The jcm800 on beta 10 have way more depth and character. Especially recreating those typical Marshall high mids (listen carefully to the last chord).

Does anyone here that uses the 59slp tried de beta 10?

 

[unix-guy]

Tried quickly matching AxeFX's JVM OD1 Orange to Bogren's JVM:

https://samply.app/p/J4gA6u2bmS3f1btP11sM

No idea what settings Bogren used, but to get it close I have to crank the EQ quite a lot. Annoyingly I don't have the real amp to compare with, but I don't remember it being so dark that I need to crank the top end like this. Maybe someone with an AxeFX and a JVM410H can compare? Even with these settings, it doesn't have the same aggression in the upper mids and top end, and playing it feels less aggressive IMO.View attachment 43559

Why have you got MV so low?

 

[Alex Kenivel]

I had a breakthrough with the reverbs today - I don't like how they sound in mono. They all had a tinny quality. I figured out that loading one IR into the cab block sums everything to mono as I have a cab block before the output, parallel to another output for my power amp/cab. Now I need to go back and listen to everything again with two IRs loaded in stereo

 

[- ★ - BROCKSTAR - ★ -]

I had a breakthrough with the reverbs today - I don't like how they sound in mono. They all had a tinny quality. I figured out that loading one IR into the cab block sums everything to mono as I have a cab block before the output, parallel to another output for my power amp/cab. Now I need to go back and listen to everything again with two IRs loaded in stereo

Put the reverb after the cab!

 

[Alex Kenivel]

Put the reverb after the cab!

Read again

 

[MTB1973]

Not to like on the bagging Fractal train but when someone asks the pros and cons of digital vs analog, this is what I'm talking about:

Fractal: yeah if you toggle over to the speaker tab, adjust the impedance, high cut frequency, add in a MBC, etc it sounds good

Amp: plug in and get what is expected

Obviously there are more pros and cons to list (which have been listed over and over) but you get the point

This is my experience as well. I have to do several additional things in order to get where I want.

 

[James Freeman]

Why have you got MV so low?

Because high gain amps loose sizzle and start to sound like shit when the power section distorts, particularly the JVM that has LINEAR mv pot.

 

[unix-guy]

Because high gain amps loose sizzle and start to sound like shit when the power section distorts, particularly the JVM that has LINEAR mv pot.

I can't remember if things changed with regards to MV tapers not matching the real amps.

They didn't used to match but I think that was changed at some point.

Anyway, thanks - no idea about the linear pot.

 

[MirrorProfiles]

Why have you got MV so low?

To avoid the amp sounding too muffled and fuzzy/farty. The real amp has a channel volume and a global master, here they’re combined. Just another mental separation you have to do vs using the real thing.

5150 Presence Knob

Rev. D of the schematic which was Jan. 15 2013 specs 30mA per tube. This was changed to 27.5 mA per tube somewhere between then and Dec. 11 2015. There apparently haven't been any changes to that spec since. So in the past 10 years every amp shipped has been at least 27.5 mA. We talking OG...

forum.fractalaudio.com

 

[Aleksi]

Apparently the FM3 reverb is now equivalent to the FM9 and Axe III, pitch shifting and all. There's a loooot of cpu complaining on the FAS forum

Wish they came out with this update before I sold mine, would've been nice to give them a try.

 

[aflynt]

Apparently the FM3 reverb is now equivalent to the FM9 and Axe III, pitch shifting and all. There's a loooot of cpu complaining on the FAS forum

Wish they came out with this update before I sold mine, would've been nice to give them a try.

I don't use compressors or plate reverb in my main presets and I saw about 7-8% CPU REDUCTION while simultaneously going from high to ultra quality in the hall reverbs on my OG FM3. If I left them on high quality it would have been more like 10% reduction. I think they must have done some pretty insane optimizations for this release.

The spring reverbs only seem to get crazy with CPU when you change the tank type from parallel to series parallel. Personally, I think parallel sounds better anyway.

-Aaron

 

[laxu]

Because high gain amps loose sizzle and start to sound like shit when the power section distorts, particularly the JVM that has LINEAR mv pot.

Under 1 seems like a pretty extreme setting though. You'd think e.g 3 or 4 would be about the same. I'm not aware of anything but the Dual Recto that seems to start distorting very early, like above 2 on the MV.

Most amps start overdriving the poweramp at 5-7 on the MV.

But I don't have a Fractal anymore so can't join this JVM settings-a-thon.

 

[James Freeman]

5150 Presence Knob

Rev. D of the schematic which was Jan. 15 2013 specs 30mA per tube. This was changed to 27.5 mA per tube somewhere between then and Dec. 11 2015. There apparently haven't been any changes to that spec since. So in the past 10 years every amp shipped has been at least 27.5 mA. We talking OG...

forum.fractalaudio.com

One of the goat threads on fractal forums.
I'm still dumbfounded that the majority of people voted against authentic response... you bought an AxeFx ffs. Talking about oxymorons.

 

[laxu]

One of the goat threads on fractal forums.
I'm still dumbfounded that the majority of people voted against authentic response... you bought an AxeFx ffs. Talking about oxymorons.

I voted against it because to me authentic response for a knob is not useful, when that knob's behavior is utterly stupid. If the presence knob does fuck all for 3/4 of its travel, then it's just a bad design.

If we extrapolate this, would people enjoy if they had to adjust the Mark V models' master volume between 1 and 1.5 to find a volume level that works for them, and the rest goes straight to "too loud" at 90W? Because that's pretty much the case with the real amp if you don't use the output/solo circuitry.

I'm not really interested in copying settings from real amps which is the only case where like-for-like behavior might be useful. But even then the real amp is going to have 10-20% variance on every potentiometer, so how useful is trying to use the same knob positions in the first place compared to dialing by ear?