Fractal Audio Systems AM4 - Amp Modeler

A. is anyone running reverb and/or delay in the insert loop at the end, and if so B. how well is it working? Due to lack of additional conversion, I'd imagine pretty well.
 
A. is anyone running reverb and/or delay in the insert loop at the end, and if so B. how well is it working? Due to lack of additional conversion, I'd imagine pretty well.

I’ve been thinking about putting my UAFX Golden and/or my Strymon El Capistan in the insert loop of my AM4 (probably my two favourite pedals for reverb and delay respectively). But so far I’m so satisfied with the reverbs and delays in the AM4 that I haven’t bothered yet.

However, I do believe they would work great!

I might be more inclined to put something in front of my AM4, like analog fuzzes, drives, and compressors.
 
I’ve been thinking about putting my UAFX Golden and/or my Strymon El Capistan in the insert loop of my AM4 (probably my two favourite pedals for reverb and delay respectively). But so far I’m so satisfied with the reverbs and delays in the AM4 that I haven’t bothered yet.

However, I do believe they would work great!

I might be more inclined to put something in front of my AM4, like analog fuzzes, drives, and compressors.
I’d do all of the above. El capistan and golden in the loop, fuzz and od in front, more room for modulation blocks in the AM4.
 
I'm absolutely certain that sounds great, @sashimi (y)

But if I were to define three things I think Fractal does better than most—if not all—others out there, it would be amps, delays, and reverbs.

So when I'm considering whether to use my AM4 as a standalone unit (with its obvious strengths and weaknesses) or put it on a board with a few pedals, I'd be inclined to combine the AM4 with things other than delay and reverb first and foremost—like fuzzes, drives, and compression.

I might very well end up using the AM4 by itself, or with a few more utilitarian additions like my MC3 (or ideally the new MC4 Pro), and/or some switches and/or my expression pedal(s).
 
From the latest releases, I am considering this modeler, since I've seen Fractal is top notch on modeling amps (and I care more about having excellent modeling options to choose). The thing is: I consider myself a n00b and don't get along a lot with diving into menues and configuring a lot of the things Fractal offers in the platforms (I've been amazed on many videos watching the level of tweakability you can do). Anyway, considering this, do you suggest this unit? Is it a bit easier than the biggest Fractal stuff?
Thank you!
 
From the latest releases, I am considering this modeler, since I've seen Fractal is top notch on modeling amps (and I care more about having excellent modeling options to choose). The thing is: I consider myself a n00b and don't get along a lot with diving into menues and configuring a lot of the things Fractal offers in the platforms (I've been amazed on many videos watching the level of tweakability you can do). Anyway, considering this, do you suggest this unit? Is it a bit easier than the biggest Fractal stuff?
Thank you!

It is definitely easier than the other fractal stuff!
 
Alright, I've had this thing long enough to be through the honeymoon phase so here are a few thoughts. The headline is -- the form factor makes this an awesome product for me; it sounds like a Fractal product (i.e., great); while easier to use than other Fractal stuff, its still a Fractal device.

So far my use of it has been around the house as a headphone playing solution and - where anytime I brought my FM3 into the house to do this with it never got used, this thing I'm using several times a week. Lighter, feels slicker/sleeker/more-polished with a better screen, simpler to operate for a 30 minute schwang, etc. It all adds up.

The sounds are the sounds.

UI -- I'm torn on this one. On the one hand, YES, it's way better than other Fractal stuff. On the other -- it still very much feels like using a Fractal product to me? There feels like there is a bit more "turn this knob to make that row of parameters active, now turn that knob to adjust the bass" than there needs to be. It's all a lot more intuitive, but does just still feel like my hands move a bit more than they should need to? And not always obvious if there is a 3rd/4th row of parameters to scroll down to .

I actually really miss the button-push encoder for one very specific reason: push-to-default value would save SO.MUCH.TIME when just trying out a new amp model or new deep parameter when you want to quickly go "what's this do if I max it out - okay, lemme go back to normal...oh, god, I'm scrolling through all the 0.01 values turn turn turn turn".

Changing channels for performance use is super intuitive...a little clunky and "oh, right, I just pretend I'm using it in performance mode and switch to the other channel to edit it". For editing purposes.

All of this is kind of on the nitpicky side of things for sure, but it all seems to add up. Like I said, the UI is a big step forward and cuts out most of the stuff that makes the Big Boy feel just not intuitive (honestly, stepping away from that for a while and powering it on one would probably take beat to remember what you need to do just to get to the freaking grid to even start editing). Buuuuut...I think it's useful to have a little more full commentary on the UI experience. I'd say this:

(1). If you've used Fractal stuff before and the things that annoyed you were that there seemed like more buttons than there needed to be and you were always a little confused about whether you should press Enter or Edit, and sometimes got lost just getting back to the grid and those were the things that turned you off, this is a MEGA improvement.

(2). If "all those crazy parameters wtf?!?" is what turned you off to Fractal in the past, I THINK this would solve that? You have to actively find those parameters with a secret handshake double-button press (clearly described in the manual) so the parameters visible in standard operating mode certainly aren't any more confusing or complicated than the stuff you see in Helix.

(3). If you hate "menu diving", honestly I don't know what that means. All of these devices involve menu diving. Helix; QC -- they are powerful devices that can do a lot of things but require some user configuration and choices to do those things so they're going to have menus. The "system" menu pages have some stuff that probably looks confusing, but so does Helix. Boss doesn't look confusing necessarily, but feels more confusing to folks that use these things because in "simplifying" stuff it has become clear as mud as to what the thing is actually doing when certain global/output parameters are adjusted. For the most part, this device is limited to "pages of a single menu" which honestly is splitting hairs of semantics in my mind "oh, this unit doesn't have 4 sub menus for the amp block...its much simpler in that it has 4 PAGES of the amp block".

Hope this is helpful to folks.
 
Alright, I've had this thing long enough to be through the honeymoon phase so here are a few thoughts. The headline is -- the form factor makes this an awesome product for me; it sounds like a Fractal product (i.e., great); while easier to use than other Fractal stuff, its still a Fractal device.

So far my use of it has been around the house as a headphone playing solution and - where anytime I brought my FM3 into the house to do this with it never got used, this thing I'm using several times a week. Lighter, feels slicker/sleeker/more-polished with a better screen, simpler to operate for a 30 minute schwang, etc. It all adds up.

The sounds are the sounds.

UI -- I'm torn on this one. On the one hand, YES, it's way better than other Fractal stuff. On the other -- it still very much feels like using a Fractal product to me? There feels like there is a bit more "turn this knob to make that row of parameters active, now turn that knob to adjust the bass" than there needs to be. It's all a lot more intuitive, but does just still feel like my hands move a bit more than they should need to? And not always obvious if there is a 3rd/4th row of parameters to scroll down to .

I actually really miss the button-push encoder for one very specific reason: push-to-default value would save SO.MUCH.TIME when just trying out a new amp model or new deep parameter when you want to quickly go "what's this do if I max it out - okay, lemme go back to normal...oh, god, I'm scrolling through all the 0.01 values turn turn turn turn".

Changing channels for performance use is super intuitive...a little clunky and "oh, right, I just pretend I'm using it in performance mode and switch to the other channel to edit it". For editing purposes.

All of this is kind of on the nitpicky side of things for sure, but it all seems to add up. Like I said, the UI is a big step forward and cuts out most of the stuff that makes the Big Boy feel just not intuitive (honestly, stepping away from that for a while and powering it on one would probably take beat to remember what you need to do just to get to the freaking grid to even start editing). Buuuuut...I think it's useful to have a little more full commentary on the UI experience. I'd say this:

(1). If you've used Fractal stuff before and the things that annoyed you were that there seemed like more buttons than there needed to be and you were always a little confused about whether you should press Enter or Edit, and sometimes got lost just getting back to the grid and those were the things that turned you off, this is a MEGA improvement.

(2). If "all those crazy parameters wtf?!?" is what turned you off to Fractal in the past, I THINK this would solve that? You have to actively find those parameters with a secret handshake double-button press (clearly described in the manual) so the parameters visible in standard operating mode certainly aren't any more confusing or complicated than the stuff you see in Helix.

(3). If you hate "menu diving", honestly I don't know what that means. All of these devices involve menu diving. Helix; QC -- they are powerful devices that can do a lot of things but require some user configuration and choices to do those things so they're going to have menus. The "system" menu pages have some stuff that probably looks confusing, but so does Helix. Boss doesn't look confusing necessarily, but feels more confusing to folks that use these things because in "simplifying" stuff it has become clear as mud as to what the thing is actually doing when certain global/output parameters are adjusted. For the most part, this device is limited to "pages of a single menu" which honestly is splitting hairs of semantics in my mind "oh, this unit doesn't have 4 sub menus for the amp block...its much simpler in that it has 4 PAGES of the amp block".

Hope this is helpful to folks.
Nice review. There's never a one size fits all device, especially with modeling. It can be as simple or as complex as you want it to be. I'm glad it has the deeper features for the tweaker types that want to carve out something unique. Doing it all on the pedal can be a challenge at times, but with a little effort it becomes more intuitive. I'm still not 100% there in that respect because I've been using the editor more on my mac.

The sounds are really great for sure.
 
(3). If you hate "menu diving", honestly I don't know what that means. All of these devices involve menu diving. Helix; QC -- they are powerful devices that can do a lot of things but require some user configuration and choices to do those things so they're going to have menus. The "system" menu pages have some stuff that probably looks confusing, but so does Helix. Boss doesn't look confusing necessarily, but feels more confusing to folks that use these things because in "simplifying" stuff it has become clear as mud as to what the thing is actually doing when certain global/output parameters are adjusted. For the most part, this device is limited to "pages of a single menu" which honestly is splitting hairs of semantics in my mind "oh, this unit doesn't have 4 sub menus for the amp block...its much simpler in that it has 4 PAGES of the amp block".
With Helix, you always have everything in the bottom row and just what parameters are there changes. Same with QC. There's pretty much always a clear param -> knob mapping available, even if on the QC it takes a bit of muscle memory to remember "aha that param is going to be the 3rd knob on row 2 of footswitches".

With Fractal, it's really more about having to re-orient yourself every time because every view is different:
  • Model list. Where's my cursor right now? Ok it's here, but what amp model is selected atm?
  • Basic amp knobs. Which row is selected? Which knob controls which param right now?
  • Graphic EQ. Now it's all sliders. How do I control these sliders when there's more than I have knobs? What is selected?
  • Cab. WTF do my knobs control now? Oh, the mappings are listed next to the speaker icons.
It just takes extra mental work to do this compared to the competition.
 
Not that hard I don't think...

Knobs under the screen maps to what is on the screen and as for sliders, move the select knob and the sliders highlight to know which one you're on etc. Also it says which knob A B C D to use on screen etc.
 
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With Helix, you always have everything in the bottom row and just what parameters are there changes. Same with QC. There's pretty much always a clear param -> knob mapping available, even if on the QC it takes a bit of muscle memory to remember "aha that param is going to be the 3rd knob on row 2 of footswitches".

With Fractal, it's really more about having to re-orient yourself every time because every view is different:
  • Model list. Where's my cursor right now? Ok it's here, but what amp model is selected atm?
  • Basic amp knobs. Which row is selected? Which knob controls which param right now?
  • Graphic EQ. Now it's all sliders. How do I control these sliders when there's more than I have knobs? What is selected?
  • Cab. WTF do my knobs control now? Oh, the mappings are listed next to the speaker icons.
It just takes extra mental work to do this compared to the competition.
It’s pretty much same same. In Helix you gotta hit page right a lot. The only difference is that Fractal also has rows of parameters on each page that sometimes require you to move down. It’s not more complicated, but does sometimes require more hand movement.
 
Not that hard I don't think...

Knobs under the screen maps to what is on the screen and as for sliders, move the select knob and the sliders highlight to know which one you're on etc.
Shoveling out my driveway wasn’t hard, but that didn’t mean it couldn’t have been improved with a snaowlower. I’m not dogging the product or UI at all - just giving a little more full description than “this thing rules!”
 
It’s pretty much same same. In Helix you gotta hit page right a lot. The only difference is that Fractal also has rows of parameters on each page that sometimes require you to move down. It’s not more complicated, but does sometimes require more hand movement.
To me the biggest issue is that it's not consistent. It can be list - knobs - knobs - sliders - list - graphs - list type things where each view requires just that little bit of extra processing in your head.

With Helix parameter page spam you are always guaranteed that the next set of params looks the same as the previous one, and it's guaranteed to be under the same physical knob. With Fractal you not only page horizontally (different views) but also vertically (different rows in knob or list views). Which requires more hand movement like you said, but has benefits of showing more params at once.

Helix is also bad at showing the relations of e.g Mesa graphic EQs.

I'm not saying it's rocket science or anything.
 
To me the biggest issue is that it's not consistent. It can be list - knobs - knobs - sliders - list - graphs - list type things where each view requires just that little bit of extra processing in your head.

With Helix parameter page spam you are always guaranteed that the next set of params looks the same as the previous one, and it's guaranteed to be under the same physical knob. With Fractal you not only page horizontally (different views) but also vertically (different rows in knob or list views). Which requires more hand movement like you said, but has benefits of showing more params at once.

Helix is also bad at showing the relations of e.g Mesa graphic EQs.

I'm not saying it's rocket science or anything.
This doesn't really sound like the AM4 to me. It sounds like you're talking generally about Fractal which...is not the point of this thread.
 
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