E-drums: could they be a common thing for small bands gigs?

[Chocol8]

I think we need to explore the possibility that no fucker actually earns 10k to DJ a prom and he’s absolutely full of it.

It's more fun to accept that absurdity as truth and then make fun of it.

 

[paisleywookiee]

I think we need to explore the possibility that no fucker actually earns 10k to DJ a prom and he’s absolutely full of it.

Hard to say. Heavily area-dependent. When I used to shoot weddings in Chicago (another lifetime it seems), I got about $5-6K a wedding, and DJ’s almost always made less. Bands, probably about as much or a little more. But this was 25 years ago, so obviously everything gets more expensive.

 

[Orvillain]

Steve Aoki, but for tweens.

 

[[Nathan]]

I think we need to explore the possibility that no fucker actually earns 10k to DJ a prom and he’s absolutely full of it.

There’s only one:

 

[DrewJD82]

I can absolutely see the schools around here in South Florida spending $10K on a DJ for the prom. Hell, in Parkland they probably get $20K.

 

[OneEng]

Tell the drummer he's playing too fucking loud.

.... and when he ignores you .... or better yet, tells you to f-off?

Find a different drummer that understands dynamics.

And if you are mixing a gig with one that doesn't? What do you do?

Yeah, that happens when someone comes in and acts like an arrogant know it all on a continual basis.

More pearls of wisdom?

It also would've sounded good all night if the drummer knew how to sound great at low levels. Which he obviously didn't.

Indeed. I believe that this is mostly the debate though. Many believe that you can simply ask the drummer to hit softer and it just happens. That hasn't been my experience. eDrums on the other hand can always be handled even in small venues.

If a venue can't tolerate the spl generated by a shielded drum kit, during a rock performance, it should stop hiring rock bands.

You and your band can decide not to play venues that have SPL limits. Lots of pretty premium venues around here have them though .... so you would be giving up lots of great gigs. As the number of venues that even HAVE a live band dwindles to a pitiful level (as compared to 20 years ago), refusing to play at lower sound levels for these venues is going to be tough as fewer and fewer venues allow higher SPL's.

Dude, get fucked.

Fair enough.

The lack of respect in general in this forum is silly. Personal attacks and name calling go unchecked most of the time, and when you DO call out the all-mighty @Orvillain you allow him to berate you ten ways to Sunday.

This thread is emblematic of the problem. People bring up honest pro's and con's with eDrums. Those that believe that eDrums should never be used simply attack anyone who dares to disagree with them. It isn't enough to disagree. The other person has to be stupid.

I suspect it is a difficult position to be in. Enforce a little respect and lose people who contribute. Don't enforce anything and have a small group that drives away everyone else.

 

[spawnofthesith]

This thread is emblematic of the problem. People bring up honest pro's and con's with eDrums. Those that believe that eDrums should never be used simply attack anyone who dares to disagree with them. It isn't enough to disagree. The other person has to be stupid.

I suspect it is a difficult position to be in. Enforce a little respect and lose people who contribute. Don't enforce anything and have a small group that drives away everyone else.

I don't think a single person in this thread has said that edrums should never be used...

It's amusing for you to be talking about "respect" since every single one of your posts from the get go is always disrespectful and condescending BS that demonstrates you aren't the authority/expert you seem to think you are.

 

[jay mitchell]

.... and when he ignores you .... or better yet, tells you to f-off?

No drummer I did sound for ever told me to fuck off. In every case, the drummers I worked with when I did sound knew me - I had previously played gigs on guitar with them - and none of them were prone to playing at abusive volumes. They were all pros and knew how to adapt to different situations (what a concept), and we respected each other. Had I ever encountered uncooperative players in a group I was doing sound for, I'd have wished them luck and walked.

And if you are mixing a gig with one that doesn't? What do you do?

I never did house sound gigs, so that was never going to happen. I knew well in advance of gigs how the players worked together.

Many believe that you can simply ask the drummer to hit softer and it just happens. That hasn't been my experience.

Then it apparently sucks to be you. Advocating the use of edrums as some kind of ideal solution is completely nonviable for all the reasons enumerated by others in this thread.

 

[HotRats]

.... and when he ignores you .... or better yet, tells you to f-off?

And if you are mixing a gig with one that doesn't? What do you do?

Do you bring an e-kit with you, just in case, and swap it on the fly?

You and your band can decide not to play venues that have SPL limits. Lots of pretty premium venues around here have them though .... so you would be giving up lots of great gigs. As the number of venues that even HAVE a live band dwindles to a pitiful level (as compared to 20 years ago), refusing to play at lower sound levels for these venues is going to be tough as fewer and fewer venues allow higher SPL's

That's ok for me.

Under a certain SPL is not a concert but background and that's not what I like to play.

If I were interested in playing background music I'd certainly choose and arrange songs in order to make them work at low level.

It's not necessary to use an e-kit to play at low level since there are lots of other solutions and alternatives to a traditional drum kit.

It's ok if others like to use an e-drums, It's theirs show, not my business.

Claiming or implying that only e-drums will let you play at low spl or sound good is ridiculous.

 

[metropolis_4]

.... and when he ignores you .... or better yet, tells you to f-off?

And if you are mixing a gig with one that doesn't? What do you do?

There are two possible scenarios:

1. This is someone else’s band you’re mixing.
2. This is the drummer in your band.

If it’s the first, then the consequence is that their band sounds bad in the house, and it’s not your problem. You did your job. If the person paying you complains you can let them know the band refused to work with you and then it’s on them, not you.

If it’s the second, fire that person on the spot and find a real drummer.

 

[Chocol8]

If the house rules limit sound levels and a drummer with acoustic drums refuses to comply, that’s on them and their band. In today’s world, they will likely not get paid and not get new bookings as their reputation spreads fast.

This isn’t a problem for the sound guy to solve. It’s on the band and the drummer.

 

[MirrorProfiles]

tells you to f-off?

This is where respect works both ways. If you talk down to people, their response is going to be more confrontational. If there is a mutual level of respect, you’re going to have far less issues.

 

[paisleywookiee]

.... and when he ignores you .... or better yet, tells you to f-off?

And if you are mixing a gig with one that doesn't? What do you do?

More pearls of wisdom?

Indeed. I believe that this is mostly the debate though. Many believe that you can simply ask the drummer to hit softer and it just happens. That hasn't been my experience. eDrums on the other hand can always be handled even in small venues.

You and your band can decide not to play venues that have SPL limits. Lots of pretty premium venues around here have them though .... so you would be giving up lots of great gigs. As the number of venues that even HAVE a live band dwindles to a pitiful level (as compared to 20 years ago), refusing to play at lower sound levels for these venues is going to be tough as fewer and fewer venues allow higher SPL's.

Fair enough.

The lack of respect in general in this forum is silly. Personal attacks and name calling go unchecked most of the time, and when you DO call out the all-mighty @Orvillain you allow him to berate you ten ways to Sunday.

This thread is emblematic of the problem. People bring up honest pro's and con's with eDrums. Those that believe that eDrums should never be used simply attack anyone who dares to disagree with them. It isn't enough to disagree. The other person has to be stupid.

I suspect it is a difficult position to be in. Enforce a little respect and lose people who contribute. Don't enforce anything and have a small group that drives away everyone else.

If you walk into a room, and you think everyone else is crazy, maybe look in the mirror?

If you're just going to continually talk down to people, insult their well-being, and just generally be disagreeable in literally every thread you participate in, maybe this forum isn't for you? If we're all assholes, doesn't that make for an unpleasant experience?

 

[Alex Kenivel]

This is where respect works both ways. If you talk down to people, their response is going to be more confrontational. If there is a mutual level of respect, you’re going to have far less issues.

Quoted because this works on two levels ITT

 

[KHAAAAAAANNNNNNN!!!!!!!!]

It only takes a few assholes to derail pretty much every thread at this point.
Shame that the concept of less moderation and giving us all a bit of (uncommon these days) freedom to speak our minds, turns some of you in to insult hurling neanderthals.

FFS grow up.,

 

[paisleywookiee]

It only takes a few assholes to derail pretty much every thread at this point.
Shame that the concept of less moderation and giving us all a bit of (uncommon these days) freedom to speak our minds, turns some of you in to insult hurling neanderthals.

FFS grow up.,

Thank you for that valuable feedback. However, looking through multiple threads, I’m not seeing the derailment in a negative way that you speak of, except this thread, and one other. So I don’t think it’s a widespread issue.

 

[DrewJD82]

Fair enough.

The lack of respect in general in this forum is silly. Personal attacks and name calling go unchecked most of the time, and when you DO call out the all-mighty @Orvillain you allow him to berate you ten ways to Sunday.

This thread is emblematic of the problem. People bring up honest pro's and con's with eDrums. Those that believe that eDrums should never be used simply attack anyone who dares to disagree with them. It isn't enough to disagree. The other person has to be stupid.

I suspect it is a difficult position to be in. Enforce a little respect and lose people who contribute. Don't enforce anything and have a small group that drives away everyone else.

I know as a result of the way other forum mods handle themselves that it can be confusing here, but before Orvie is a member on a forum I run, he’s someone I consider a friend and I put a fair amount of effort into maintaining that outlook on things in general here because I’ve known a good amount of the members before this forum was a forum and changing the location of where we shoot the shit shouldn’t come with special treatment.

The only time I step in, in regard to personal attacks, is when I think they’re being used unfairly (like when some forum members went after Pete from IK and were a bit over the top with it) or it’s something that gets under my skin personally, which is where my ‘Get fucked’ comment came from. I spend every day handling/maintaining/negotiating multi-million dollar commercial real estate leases, in the 7 years I’ve been doing this I’ve yet to see a shred of evidence that intelligence = financial payoff. At best, the wealthier people hire people more knowledgeable/capable than theirselves to get shit done for them, which is why my position exists. And the amount of people I’ve met in this time who earned that wealth on their own is nil in comparison to those who inherited it.

 

[KHAAAAAAANNNNNNN!!!!!!!!]

Thank you for that valuable feedback. However, looking through multiple threads, I’m not seeing the derailment in a negative way that you speak of, except this thread, and one other. So I don’t think it’s a widespread issue.

Agree to disagree.

 

[Orvillain]

Those that believe that eDrums should never be used simply attack anyone who dares to disagree with them.

Yeah, but like, no-one actually said that.

 

[Orvillain]

The lack of respect in general in this forum is silly. Personal attacks and name calling go unchecked most of the time, and when you DO call out the all-mighty @Orvillain you allow him to berate you ten ways to Sunday.