Digital Igloo (Eric Klein, YGG)

the swede said:
found something, but its best to verify with @Digital Igloo


"A standard MIDI Out was never intended to power devices, but it is build to power an optocoupler. The max constant current you can get from a standard MIDI OUT socket (like all Helix devices) is 5 V / (2 * 220 Ohm) =~ 10 mA. This means 50 mW of power at best."
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No idea about the data, but it's sufficient to power up my WIDI Jack.
 
the swede said:
found something, but its best to verify with @Digital Igloo


"A standard MIDI Out was never intended to power devices, but it is build to power an optocoupler. The max constant current you can get from a standard MIDI OUT socket (like all Helix devices) is 5 V / (2 * 220 Ohm) =~ 10 mA. This means 50 mW of power at best."
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Sascha Franck said:
No idea about the data, but it's sufficient to power up my WIDI Jack.
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Many thanks :)

DSM Humboldt, the maker of the Pedal in question have graciously let me know, that it can take a signal from the Midi Out Tip Pin [ pin no. 5 ] to Channel Switch, but that the voltage it can take without damaging the Channel select, must be less than 4.5v.

I have been doing some general research on Midi Out Voltages.

It seems (?) to suggest that "older" Midi Out Jacks usually put out 5v and "newer" Midi out Jacks usually put out 3.3v ?!?!?!?

But am keen to get the "correct" answer from The Oracle re: what Voltage the HX Stomp Midi Out puts out :)
 
BenIfin said:
Hey D.I. !

Bit of a tech'y question.

Am making a specific Midi Out Cable to do Amp Channel Switching from my HX Stomp, and so I don't "blow anything up" from my HX Stomp, can you please advise:-

(a) => what is the Voltage Output of the Midi-Out PIN 5 "Tip" on the HX Stomp ?

(b) => what is the milliamp value the Midi-Out PIN 5 "Tip" outputs on the HX Stomp ?

Many thanks,
Ben
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No idea but I'll ask EE. Might take a while tho', as everyone's slammed.

There's no ancillary power on the MIDI Out, so whatever the universal standard would be for your average everyday bog standard MIDI Out that isn't meant to power any external devices is likely what we're using.
 
Digital Igloo said:
No idea but I'll ask EE. Might take a while tho', as everyone's slammed.

There's no ancillary power on the MIDI Out, so whatever the universal standard would be for your average everyday bog standard MIDI Out that isn't meant to power any external devices is likely what we're using.
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Thanks D.I. Yep, the more I hunt around its looking like "most" Midi Out devices put out 5v.

I remembered I've got a Multimeter so will measure it anyway and if it is 5.5v, I've already found the Voltage Divider "resistor" values calculator to voltage divide it to 3v from 5v ie:-

=> 5v Midi Pin 5 Out -then to- 1M Ohm Resistor -then to- 1.5M Ohm Resistor -then to- Ground ...... and then connect the TS Tip Positive Connecter "in-between" the 2 separate Resistors

Result => 5v Voltage divided down to 3v !

Just in case anyone else is interested, here is the calculator link-

https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/voltage-divider
 
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Digital Igloo said:
Yep.

From my perspective, there are only two customer problems that ML amps and IR cabs solve:
  1. "I don't know how perfectly recreate the sound of my personal tube amps and cabs so I don't have to lug them around."
  2. "I don't have enough variety of real-world tube amp and cab sounds."
It appears as though Kemper was originally focused on the first problem. The toaster granted artists and studio engineers the ability to recreate their own library of amps and take them on tour or to other studios. Later, it sorta morphed into #2: "Look at me! I have every amp ever made. It takes me an hour to find the perfect one, but it's here somewhere."

Making cool and original guitar sounds should be fun and fast; it shouldn't require file management. To me, ML and IRs almost... sorta... kinda feel like browsing a million LEGO sets (mostly based on film franchises from the 60s-80s) on Amazon, except all the sets are fully completed and superglued together. What if I'm more interested in building things no one's seen/heard before?
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I was going through this thread, catching up. This post made me very optimistic about whatever is next from Line6. I am absolutely a believer in every single word of what is quoted above. I am simply not a ML capture guy. I have used third party IRs, but am happier when cabinet sims are provided that are part of the modeler and sound great. Let me plug in, dial in, and play. That's just my preference. But I hope at least some of the leading modeling companies stay focused on that instead of being pulled into the capture buzz.

And I really would love the sentence I bolded to further translate to the product (and all modelers). Give me a bunch of new options for clean to mid-gain amps that have no specific physical world basis, and I'm a happy guy. Though I use my other modelers more, I probably use the BOSS X-Crunch sound more than any other single amp model. More of that kind of thing (in a more compact unit with the full power, full featured interface, and without an integrated expression pedal), please!
 
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what was the reasoning for leaving resonance and thump (and decay) out of helix modeling?? I never played anything past PODxt modeling until yesterday, (i went from PODxt to AFX2 to AFX3 to HX stomp) spending months and months tweaking fractal speaker and power settings trying to get the right feel. I guess to be expected with Line 6, HD resonance and thump from this 15 year old floorboard do exaaaactly what i'd expect to the clipping based on master and bias and sag. squish for days but you can dial back in the top with resonance. where is or what happened to Helix speaker controls?? :guiness
 
Tone is in the Hype Knob ??


confused bugs bunny GIF by Looney Tunes
 
Seems really Interesting and its just the start
Very well thought out
I would have preferred that the Stadium had scribble strips I'm not crazy about integrated EXP pedals
while we don't have CPU details I'm sure it will be more powerful
They also did not show or mention anything about the Editor
Why though would you name your new modeling engine after a street???
Its an Engine which requires some sort of high tech or awesome name

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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@Digital Igloo can you share when did you start working on this? Watching the features again, I remember having read posts from you marginally taking about some of them in the last few years.

For sure this wasn't started in 2024, although I don't think it took as much time as the first Helix.
 
molul said:
@Digital Igloo can you share when did you start working on this? Watching the features again, I remember having read posts from you marginally taking about some of them in the last few years.

For sure this wasn't started in 2024, although I don't think it took as much time as the first Helix.
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I'm curious about this too!
 
In terms of percentage how much bigger is an Agoura model than the Helix version of the same amp?
 
nicolasrivera said:
Line6 Team!!! today was the best news ever!!! congrats. I cant ask anything else from a product, you have delivered!
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Oh, we haven't delivered anything yet (except for Helix Hyperbole). TONS of work left to do. Yesterday was the start of a very long, exhausting road. After hiking down a very long, exhausting trail with sheer cliffs on either side.
molul said:
@Digital Igloo can you share when did you start working on this? Watching the features again, I remember having read posts from you marginally taking about some of them in the last few years.

For sure this wasn't started in 2024, although I don't think it took as much time as the first Helix.
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There isn't an easy answer to this one. My work often starts years before any active development takes place. The first Helix Stadium TRD (Technical Requirement Document) was published in September of 2017, a full year before HX Stomp launched. We'd have many many hallway conversations about feasibility, best paths forward, and such, but COVID really put a damper on things (as it did for most MI companies), so there wasn't really a kickoff date per sé. The Stadium team grew from just a few people working on it between their other projects to today, where Team Helix is bigger than it's ever been.

There have been a few bigger changes (2 Nexus ports [for star networks] instead of 1, OG Helix-like back edge bevel with proud LCD holder instead of the current chassis overhang to tuck in the I/O, pinhole LED ring around the Volume knob [XL only], slightly different LCD aspect ratio, and full-size SD card vs. microSD), but what you saw yesterday (mechanical, layout, GUI, top-level feature set) has remained fairly unchanged since mid-2020, long before any serious development ramped up.

There are also a few things we brought back from the original touchscreen-based Helix design, and those go back to 2011, 2012 or so.



22 (23?) years ago, back at Rainbow Guitars in Tucson, we'd get customers in who wanted to accomplish certain things for their live shows and it was always immensely complicated and expensive at the time. Started thinking about possible solutions and mocked up some ideas.

I remember talking up the Cymatic guys at NAMM about adding playback-centric automation functionality to their rackmount recorders, which at the time were relegated to tracking feeds from the FOH. No idea if those conversations triggered anything for their LP-16, but it's fun to think about.

Here's the entire line of Showcase networked performance workstations that I pitched to Marcus Ryle in April of 2010, and although I wasn't looking to leave Roland at the time, it ended up landing me this gig. Interestingly enough, @stilwel (PM for Tone Master Pro and all-around stellar dude) got me the pitch meeting and for that, I'm eternally grateful to him (and Marcus, of course).

Potato quality on purpose:
ShowcaseALL.jpg

Eagle said:
In terms of percentage how much bigger is an Agoura model than the Helix version of the same amp?
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We're still optimizing, so not entirely sure. Right now a few of the bigger ones (like the Revv) are considerably more DSP-intensive than their HX equivalents.
 
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