Digital Igloo (Eric Klein, YGG)

[Sascha Franck]

found something, but its best to verify with @Digital Igloo


"A standard MIDI Out was never intended to power devices, but it is build to power an optocoupler. The max constant current you can get from a standard MIDI OUT socket (like all Helix devices) is 5 V / (2 * 220 Ohm) =~ 10 mA. This means 50 mW of power at best."

No idea about the data, but it's sufficient to power up my WIDI Jack.

 

[BenIfin]

found something, but its best to verify with @Digital Igloo


"A standard MIDI Out was never intended to power devices, but it is build to power an optocoupler. The max constant current you can get from a standard MIDI OUT socket (like all Helix devices) is 5 V / (2 * 220 Ohm) =~ 10 mA. This means 50 mW of power at best."

No idea about the data, but it's sufficient to power up my WIDI Jack.

Many thanks :)

DSM Humboldt, the maker of the Pedal in question have graciously let me know, that it can take a signal from the Midi Out Tip Pin [ pin no. 5 ] to Channel Switch, but that the voltage it can take without damaging the Channel select, must be less than 4.5v.

I have been doing some general research on Midi Out Voltages.

It seems (?) to suggest that "older" Midi Out Jacks usually put out 5v and "newer" Midi out Jacks usually put out 3.3v ?!?!?!?

But am keen to get the "correct" answer from The Oracle re: what Voltage the HX Stomp Midi Out puts out :)

 

[Digital Igloo]

Hey D.I. !

Bit of a tech'y question.

Am making a specific Midi Out Cable to do Amp Channel Switching from my HX Stomp, and so I don't "blow anything up" from my HX Stomp, can you please advise:-

(a) => what is the Voltage Output of the Midi-Out PIN 5 "Tip" on the HX Stomp ?

(b) => what is the milliamp value the Midi-Out PIN 5 "Tip" outputs on the HX Stomp ?

Many thanks,
Ben

No idea but I'll ask EE. Might take a while tho', as everyone's slammed.

There's no ancillary power on the MIDI Out, so whatever the universal standard would be for your average everyday bog standard MIDI Out that isn't meant to power any external devices is likely what we're using.

 

[BenIfin]

No idea but I'll ask EE. Might take a while tho', as everyone's slammed.

There's no ancillary power on the MIDI Out, so whatever the universal standard would be for your average everyday bog standard MIDI Out that isn't meant to power any external devices is likely what we're using.

Thanks D.I. Yep, the more I hunt around its looking like "most" Midi Out devices put out 5v.

I remembered I've got a Multimeter so will measure it anyway and if it is 5.5v, I've already found the Voltage Divider "resistor" values calculator to voltage divide it to 3v from 5v ie:-

=> 5v Midi Pin 5 Out -then to- 1M Ohm Resistor -then to- 1.5M Ohm Resistor -then to- Ground ...... and then connect the TS Tip Positive Connecter "in-between" the 2 separate Resistors

Result => 5v Voltage divided down to 3v !

Just in case anyone else is interested, here is the calculator link-

https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/voltage-divider

 

[ChordInversion]

Yep.

From my perspective, there are only two customer problems that ML amps and IR cabs solve:

1. "I don't know how perfectly recreate the sound of my personal tube amps and cabs so I don't have to lug them around."
2. "I don't have enough variety of real-world tube amp and cab sounds."

It appears as though Kemper was originally focused on the first problem. The toaster granted artists and studio engineers the ability to recreate their own library of amps and take them on tour or to other studios. Later, it sorta morphed into #2: "Look at me! I have every amp ever made. It takes me an hour to find the perfect one, but it's here somewhere."

Making cool and original guitar sounds should be fun and fast; it shouldn't require file management. To me, ML and IRs almost... sorta... kinda feel like browsing a million LEGO sets (mostly based on film franchises from the 60s-80s) on Amazon, except all the sets are fully completed and superglued together. What if I'm more interested in building things no one's seen/heard before?

I was going through this thread, catching up. This post made me very optimistic about whatever is next from Line6. I am absolutely a believer in every single word of what is quoted above. I am simply not a ML capture guy. I have used third party IRs, but am happier when cabinet sims are provided that are part of the modeler and sound great. Let me plug in, dial in, and play. That's just my preference. But I hope at least some of the leading modeling companies stay focused on that instead of being pulled into the capture buzz.

And I really would love the sentence I bolded to further translate to the product (and all modelers). Give me a bunch of new options for clean to mid-gain amps that have no specific physical world basis, and I'm a happy guy. Though I use my other modelers more, I probably use the BOSS X-Crunch sound more than any other single amp model. More of that kind of thing (in a more compact unit with the full power, full featured interface, and without an integrated expression pedal), please!

 

[0XI0]

what was the reasoning for leaving resonance and thump (and decay) out of helix modeling?? I never played anything past PODxt modeling until yesterday, (i went from PODxt to AFX2 to AFX3 to HX stomp) spending months and months tweaking fractal speaker and power settings trying to get the right feel. I guess to be expected with Line 6, HD resonance and thump from this 15 year old floorboard do exaaaactly what i'd expect to the clipping based on master and bias and sag. squish for days but you can dial back in the top with resonance. where is or what happened to Helix speaker controls??